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Old 07-08-2012, 06:30 AM   #341 (permalink)
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First of all, I dont think anderson missed anything with that knee. He's too accurate to not have hit what he was aiming for. it was a good technique. Looked dirty as hell live, but the replays do show exactly where the contact was made. Right at the end of the broadcast they had a zoomed in slow motion of the contact.. Pure chest.

As far as the greasing goes, it wasnt any sort of mind games, or anything like that. Anderson has done that for the last few fights hes had. If anything, it was a mind game on chaels part to have anderson wiped down.. Did it really provide anderson an advantage? Who knows.. its not like they leave gobs of vaseline on for him to work with or anything.

Grabbing the shorts was dirty. Unless the ref was ready to pull a point off anderson though, I dont think it was really fight altering. Still, really a mild infraction when you look at some of the things fighters like bisping and koscheck get away with on a regular basis..

Disappointing fight for me all in all, but at least it answered a few questions, not the least of which is that Yes, a solid wrestling game can cause a lot of problems for anderson.
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:41 AM   #342 (permalink)
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Here's something Sonnen fans should REALLY be pissed about.

Sonnen had Full Mount the last 30 seconds or so of the first round, and what did he chose to do? Did he decide to try and finish Anderson? No. He flattened out and rode the round out. Had he decided to drop some elbows and punches from the mount, we may be looking at a New World Champion, and I would probably be banned by now.....
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:58 AM   #343 (permalink)
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Chael has lost twice to Silva, he's had two chances and he blew it. Sonnen has had seven rounds to put Silva on his back and finish him, but he couldn't do it. Accept it and move on Chael fans.
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Old 07-08-2012, 07:11 AM   #344 (permalink)
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I'm guessing about 90% of the non diehard Chael fans were barely breathing that first round. I saw that and thought it would be a long fight. Chael just wasn't able to turn that whole round of grappling into any real damage. Very disappointing. He didn't even target the ribs that much. I doubt he could've sustained 5 rounds of that without getting caught as he did. Silva clearly worked on his ground grappling more than his TD.

The vaseline thing was likely more mind games than actual issue. The shorts thing was minor and that knee was an "Oh fuck" moment when I saw it but things happen so fast in a fight you don't know where they actually land. I honestly think Silva threw that out of anger and likely barely had time to aim for the chest. Lucky for all of us as that would've been the worse result for everyone. Imagine another 6 months of threads about Silva/Sonnen/GOAT. I was disappointed with how the fight ended though, didn't seem like there was a definite solid shot that hurt Sonnen and it seemed like he wilted too easily.
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that knee reminded me of rashad-tito. When you throw a knee down like that you can generate even more power. It doesnt happen often, as your opponent has to be on the ground, but damn you see it hit the chest. That has got to really hurt.

You could see Anderson's style was different in this fight. He typically likes to pick his opponents apart, but he was throwing everything into all of his shots. It went how I expected the first fight to go. I knew Sonnen would be able to get him down near at will, but Silva would completely outclass him standing...

You could tell how hurt Sonnen was, he was backing up, when does he ever back up?

I wish the fight wasn't stopped when it was. Silva was on top and could have done a ton more damage. AS is the last fighter in MMA to go berserk and punch himself out. His GNP is actually very precise and he would have put Sonnen out eventually. I wish we got to see that. Sonnen is very strong on top, but when Anderson gets on top, he does damage... He was looking for that single leg, had he got it, he could have finished there as well.

As far as possible match-ups with guys like GSP or Evans. Both are very tough fights... not saying much seeing how Evans is the #2 LHW and GSP is #1 WW. They both have a better and more explosive shot than Sonnen, few can say that. The problem for them is that it is not that simple. They dont bull rush forward and throw caution to the wind like Chael does. He eats a decent amount of shots before he gets inside in most of his fights. I highly doubt GSP or Rashad are that durable... They also both fight very defensively because of past tko losses.

GSP gets clowned if he tries his ranged jabs, superman punches, throw in a few leg kicks with Anderson. He would get tko'd for sure, but he has that Excellent double leg that he can land at any second, so it would be hard to predict.

I have seen Rashad as AS's biggest threat if he actually went down to MW or could even make it. He clearly has the frame to make MW, but he loves to eat... he gets big in between fights and carries around a lot of muscle... possible some of it unnecessary... He has the speed to deal with AS and clearly the wresting to get him down... He actually has some good GNP when he gets it going, but he gets very chinny at times, and AS is the most precise striker in MMA.

As far as Sonnen goes. I will still be interested in seeing him fight. Cant stand the guy, but you cannot deny his skills (yes often overrated, but you cant overlook them either...)

He should go back up to LHW... I dont see any chance of him getting another shot as long as AS is the champ.

He should fight Lyoto or Rampage once he is healthy, or even Evans if the ufc likes that Match-up...
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I think it's important to consider "intent" when arguing that knee.
I don't think the knee was intended to hit Sonnen in the face at all. When I first saw it it did look dirty but when you see it in slow motion it looks pretty obvious where he was aiming. Sonnen was literally sitting on his ass if AS wanted the knee to hit the face he could have easily hit him there. Anderson is the most precise mma striker ever and we've all seen him land much more precise shots than that knee.
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I'm glad to see everyone being so gracious after the outcome.
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Please find where I defended Chael for using PED's. I beg you. Find it. If you find it I will rep you every chance I can get! But I guess since I am a fan of both fighters then I guess you weren't talking about me?
I've actually never seen you post at all. Keep your little rep, it is really meaningless. I was just saying in general, it's a joke to say Anderson is cheating because he grabbed shorts meanwhile your guy is in the fucking cage ON PEDS.

Anderson should have been allowed 1 cheat legally. It should have been announced before the fight. If Chael gets to use PEDS, there should be some type of handicap to counter and make it fair.

Just like the billionaires that do not pay taxes, because they find a loophole, sure, it's legal but fair? Bullshit.
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I've actually never seen you post at all. Keep your little rep, it is really meaningless. I was just saying in general, it's a joke to say Anderson is cheating because he grabbed shorts meanwhile your guy is in the fucking cage ON PEDS.

Anderson should have been allowed 1 cheat legally. It should have been announced before the fight. If Chael gets to use PEDS, there should be some type of handicap to counter and make it fair.

Just like the billionaires that do not pay taxes, because they find a loophole, sure, it's legal but fair? Bullshit.
He kind of did. He wiped the vas on his body and he grabbed his shorts. Mind you I am not crying about this, b/c I did not mind the outcome.
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