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[rivethead]

Originally Posted by MIZJUDOZOU

Riv, this is just a observation of mine (so it may be way off), but I feel a lot of it has to do with Sonnen being such an outspoken wrestler. I was not a wrestler growing up, but I feel like a lot of his supporters were wrestlers and that they feel like it would vindicate their sport. A buddy of mine, who is a huge mma fan, was a good highschool wrestler and he was big time saying that Sonnen was going to clown Silva. Wrestlers are very passionate about their trade and I feel like they see Silva as being one of their own.

I could easily see that. I know masscore gets worked up about anyone from a wrestling background, for sure. I'm just a bit mystified why they wouldn't be pulling for someone like Munoz or Weidman, who--while they weren't Olympic alternates--are exceptionally accomplished wrestlers who are more complete fighters in general.

I guess maybe if sonnen could beat Anderson without exceptional striking or submission skills, it would somehow prove that wrestling is the best eva. The fact that Wiedman or Munoz would augment their game using striking or submission skills would adulterate the glory it would give to wrestling?

that's an interesting point, I hadn't thought of at all.

I do think we'll be seeing a new wrestler getting megahype after this weekend.

rh

[Y2JUBAE]

Seems as if a lot people that wanted Chael to win wanted him to win because he is entertaining on the mic. lol. Great reason.

I find him funny from time to time but as an ambassador to the sport of mma he is horrible. He would do well to start his own mma talk show.

I'm glad Anderson is still the champ, he is the absolute best and that is who I want to see win every time... the best, whether it's Anderson or not.

[IceCold48]

I love chael and I despise Anderson but since I could vote for both I picked the first one.

[singinkangaroooo]

for me the result would have been a Win or a Loss so it only mattered how those are achieved... and for me this fight was verry anticlimactic with Anderson finishing with a knee to the body along the cage after a missed spinning back is not nearly as satisfying as Anderson catching him with a punch standing and finishing him on the ground with brutal GnP.. or Chael just get KO'd clean or sub'd or w/e ... or Chael would have taken him down and got the UD... but for me even though i accept the fight happened and the result i just wish it was flashier... on a scale of 1-10 in my head that finish was around a 3.5 is satisfaction for me...

thats why i disliked this fight

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Originally Posted by MIZJUDOZOU

Riv, this is just a observation of mine (so it may be way off), but I feel a lot of it has to do with Sonnen being such an outspoken wrestler. I was not a wrestler growing up, but I feel like a lot of his supporters were wrestlers and that they feel like it would vindicate their sport. A buddy of mine, who is a huge mma fan, was a good highschool wrestler and he was big time saying that Sonnen was going to clown Silva. Wrestlers are very passionate about their trade and I feel like they see Silva as being one of their own.

ya i totally feel im one of those people... for me wrestling was like the red headed step child of our school even though my senior year we were the best in school history nobody gave a fuck.. before MMA a lot more people connected wrestling with homosexuality and it was just annoying.. so when i see a guy with wrestling skills in MMA i tend to cheer for him... and Riv i see your point about Munoz and Weidman (i like them both) but there is something about the pureness in wrestling that Chael represents whereas the other 2 have adapted it to MMA (Munoz Gnp and Weidman with his subs) just my thoughts on that

[The Donosaur]

I do like sonnen alot, but he isn't my favorite (hendo). Anderson is my least favorite fighter not named diaz. I like Sonnen because he is an iron jawed wrestler, & he is sometimes funny. I dislike Silva because I consider him to be extremely fake. The man talks about respect like its necessary for him to continue living, but he is the most disrespectful fighter I have ever seen (not named Diaz). Before this fight it was the clowning & dancing. For this fight it is unquestionable that he threw that shoulder at weigh ins & intentionally grabbed the shorts for an extended period of time. I won't even focus on the greasing& the knee, but those things are shady at best. The shorts thing bothers me the most. Alot of people do not think that grabbing the shorts affected the outcome, but anything that helped Silva stay off his back is a huge deal. The way I see it, unless he pulled off a sub, Anderson had 5 chances to avoid getting double legged. Grabbing the shorts helped him stay vertical, and as we all know a vertical Anderson is a dangerous Anderson.

I hate just because someone is a great athlete, fans want to think that they are a great person as well too. Anderson gets pissed if someone disrespects him enough to want to fight him (at least if they are Brazilian). Anderson sometimes tries to deem certain challengers unworthy (IMO win you win the belt you lose the right to pick your opponents). I am probably one of the few people who though the Forrest fight was incredibly disrespectful on Andersons part. You don't pretend to try to help a guy up that you just knocked down. I don't even have to rant about the maia & lietes fights, or soares. I just dislike Silva so much.

The worst part is my friends though. They aren't hardcore fans, and they often times unintentionally say super annoying things (it was a fluke that sonnen could take Silva down, sonnen was on roids, wrestling is easy to learn, ect.). I would probably dislike Anderson less if it wasn't for them.

[VimyRidge]

I not a huge Sonnen fan, I am just tired of Silva. If he as great as everyone says, he would have already moved up to 205. The 2 best fighters he has beat, Franklin and Henderson were both willing to fight real competition at 205 but Silva, the worlds greatest fighter who is arguably bigger than both of these guys was not willing.

Hate Silva more after the fight, the greasing, short grab, potentially illegal knee (you have to be an idiot to think that Silva's leg did not hit Sonnen in the head, the point of the knee might not have, but do you really think the rest of his leg didn't?) and the fence grab during the flying knee. Sonnen is a cheat and so is Silva
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[SOOFNUN]

I REALLY wanted sonnen to win. I was so mad in the first fight when sonnen didn't just hold Anderson down and take the win and now fry started again that sonnen tried a spinning backfist that cost him the fight (though nothing in that one was guaranteed obviously).

I like sonnen usually. I find him very entertaining and funny....usually. I like how often sonnen says things that people think but then he takes it to the over the top stage, which is funny still often enough. Alsoa big part of my like for him is that he waged war on Anderson.

I don't like silva much at all. I think in some ways his greatness has been a product of his division. If he fought at ww or LHW I think things could be quite different....even lightweight really. I'm not saying he isn't great, but. I think who he has faced helped a ton. Silva's personality also drives me insane....fighter personality. Every time he gets the hint that he might have to face someone that is any kind of threat he seems to complain. He has built up guys that were no threat at all. His philosophy of you I beat you once I don't need to do it again also annoys me. If rashad drops down, I will be stunned if you don't here some sort of statement that Evans does not deserve a title shot......the Mia fight. Silva doesn't strive for greatness. He was given the title and has said he likes being compared with greats, but he seeks out no challenges. Dana said he only fough at 205 because he was asked and they weren't really the toughest opponents for silva. Bj penn hadn't done what silva has but got a title shot at ww.....why because he strived for greatness. Silva in my mind thinks why push for anything? I have the title already. I can just hang in a division with very few threats and avoid bouts or rematches as long as possible with those who are......and always be the best. His hypocracy of respect is another one......

I could rant more but meh. I like sonnen ok but am not a huge fan I guess. There have actually been times when I cheered for silva but more and more I can't do it. I want to because he has some amazing skills but yeah.....there is my two cents for the day.

[VimyRidge]

Also, the only way I will pay for a Silva fight is if he fights Jon Jones, I am not paying to see Silva-Leben 2 or what ever the UFC wants to do to prove how great Silva is.

[disposableassassin]

Originally Posted by GangGreenWarrior

I'm guessing there are a fairly sized number of Silva haters who are mad because Silva walked through their favourite fighters. I'm sure a lot of early Leben fans hated Silva for dismantling Leben with ease. He's blown through a lot of competition so I could see those fans bouncing to their next slight hope of someone derailing Silva.

I don't hate Anderson for beating leben. Hell florian beat leben, Starnes beat him, and so did bisping. He isn't the best fighter in the world or anything. Anderson fans seem to think non Anderson fans are jealous or something. I don't care if a fighter wins all of the time or not. It's their heart I like. Leben is real he wears his heart on his sleeve and all of his issues are laid bare for the whole world to see. I respect that. I am the same way. I am sure ill catch alot of flack for this but Anderson is fake. He pretends to have the moral code of Bruce lee, but I think he is more like his mentor Stevie segal. He's like water because I can see right through him. His behavior in the Maia fight all the way down to his merciless shorts grabbing Saturday night. Those are actions unbecoming of a fighter who is supposed to be an embodiment of "true martial arts."

Silva GOAT? Only if it stands for grabs on another's trunks!

[SimpleJack]

Chael winning just made shit WAY more interesting.

Chael is very beatable and it would have been far more telling of Anderson's skill to see how he reacted to being held down and dominated to the point of losing his title.

At this point, all we know about Anderson is that he's far and away ahead of his "peers."