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[singinkangaroooo]

just a quick tid bit.. why are people saying that Chael is a bad ambassador for the sport when it seems that the only person hes REALLY had a problem with was Anerson.. all of the press hype for Bisping and Stann were nothing but complementary with some jokes sprinkled in.. ik what he said about Silva and Brazil and BlackHouse etc was bad but at the end of the day i think Chael is very smart and presents himself in a conscious and planned way

and im on board with Simple Jack here because i dont give a fuck about nationality (were all the same race i hate that word... if it were Neanderthals were talking about sure theyre a different race but were all homo sapien sapeins with different mutations and adaptations /rant) but i care how much someone tries to compete... and ya RD i think youre a little off on how many Fedor haters there were on this board... i was one who was absolutely delighted to see him lose i just never said anything on here... SJ nailed it right on the head with the whole Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Kobe, Lebron hate.. alot of people just hate the best person because they want their favorite to be the best because they worked hard and not because the other were more gentically gifted and could work less

honestly i never cared about Chael Sonnen until the first fight because what he was saying was hilarious but i waited to pass judgement on him until after he showed me he could back it up in the octagon.. and that he did

Anderson talks not funny things (and hes know english since he fought Rich that bugs me too) and then acts like a clown.. except when he was trying he was insane! we all loved that Anderson but when he fought Cote and he was the first person to get into the 3rd round with Silva because Silva didnt try for 2 rounds thats when people got a little upset... then the disgrace that was the Maia and Lietes fights eeeeee gads! then he flashed that front kick against Belfort and people were just pissed because he could have been doing that the whole time and i guaranty that Silva would have had many more fans cheering for him this fight... there was a wedge there and Chael smashed it open with his brash rhetoric.. this is simple social psychology.. im only comparing methods of garnering popular opinion but how did Hitler gain position?? everyone in Germany was pissed they lost the war (wedge) and he gave the country someone to blame (smashing open) i REPEAT im not comparing the people just the psychological method to which the two were able to polarize masses

[carbondioxide830]

what if you have absolutely zero problems with the stoppage and like both fighters overall? like i said, anderson used some dirty tactics, but they pale in comparison to increased testosterone levels.

[Y2JUBAE]

Originally Posted by carbondioxide830

what if you have absolutely zero problems with the stoppage and like both fighters overall? like i said, anderson used some dirty tactics, but they pale in comparison to increased testosterone levels.

Exactly.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by singinkangaroooo

just a quick tid bit.. why are people saying that Chael is a bad ambassador for the sport when it seems that the only person hes REALLY had a problem with was Anderson..

I'm not saying Anderson is a good ambassador, but I'm one of the ones saying sonnen is not a good ambassador for the sport. From what I have seen of him: his legal issues, TRT abuse, weak plagiarism, etc; I don't find him to be a person with integrity. I see him as a WWE-style promoter, where melodrama and misdirection are used to get fans. I don't see that as good--long-term--for the sport.

But that's my opinion.

Originally Posted by carbondioxide830

what if you have absolutely zero problems with the stoppage and like both fighters overall? like i said, anderson used some dirty tactics, but they pale in comparison to increased testosterone levels.

Then I don't care. That's not what the thread is about.

Feel free to start your own, though.

rh

[Sniggles]

@roaddawg: Just because you cheer for black fighters --- does not mean that anyone on the board cheered for Sonnen because he was white. That's your own thing, dawg. For you to say that Sonnen represents a Grand Wizard of the KKK, David Duke, shows that you have some sort of racial trauma. Sorry that you feel the need to see color but not all of us do. I judge people by their character; not their appearance.

It is true that there are ignorant degenerates on Youtube and the rest of the Internets drop the N bomb and are complete cunts does not mean that you will find that sort of behaviour around here. I do not remember the last time I have seen people do that. Sure, I joke that you are a member of the Black Panthers, but it is meant in the form of good-natured ribbing. You don't have to go Malcolm X on us to get our respect. Haha!

Originally Posted by mmawolverine

always respected anderson but rarely root for the guy, im in favor of chael, i dont think of chael as a bad guy, i think he made a few harmless jokes about brazil and then when people went crazy he saw that he had hit the jackpot but he never meant to insult them to the core he has respect for the sport he did pull back after talking to renzo, chael's had a chip on his shoulder since the wec days and paulo filho denying him the chance to be a champion by missing weight, despite what haters say chael does give credit where credit is due, he's not a sore loser, i dont have a problem with the guy using trt, and he didnt keep it a secret in my opinion he just didnt do to the full extent that the nsac wanted but that has been corrected, as for the real estate money laundering white collar crime i dont care the entire industry was doing stupid shit before the american economy shit on itself he was one of a group of individuals who needed to be held responsible and it done, often times in business things like that happen transactions that were not done in accordance wit hthe law have to be voided. lets not forget his political aspirations have been halted but still heres a guy that wanted to be a public servant he certainly wasnt going to get rich doing it

he took the fight to anderson in a way that no other guy did before both standing and on the ground, he is the biggest threat to anderson at 185 and still is, I really dont appreciate people comparing him to the wwe and trying to throw him in there he is a smart and witty fighter as real as it gets. chael is the only guy to step into the octagon with anderson who wasnt afraid to get hit he is anderson's equal, he is the other half of the equation. i hope chael chooses to stay with the ufc though there is talk that he is done fighting he is 35 or so i believe, i said in another thread that he was sort of in the same position as franklin was but i was incorrect chael is in a category all his own yes he lost to anderson twice but he put up a better fight each time than all the other ufc challengers combined, we should all go by his book.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel.

[VimyRidge]

I was at a bar watching the fight, around 40% of the white people were going for Anderson and 0% of the black people for Chael (I will let you figure out the other 2 %s: roaddawg let me know if you need help with that).

After the fight when I was outside, a group of black guys started saying a bunch of anti white stuff. I just ignored it, too old or not drunk enough to waste my time.

[K1NG P3NN]

I thoroughly enjoyed Sonnen for single-handedly selling that pay-per-view. I have always personally thought that Silva seemed fake, and while his abilities are second to none, I see him just as disrespectful as Sonnen seems to everyone else. His fights with Thales and Maia were absolutely terrible to watch. Growing up with WWE, or F for the oldies, I couldn't ask for better promo leading to this fight either. That's why I rooted for Sonnen, I simply like him more than Silva.

[FedortheCan]

Originally Posted by VimyRidge

I was at a bar watching the fight, around 40% of the white people were going for Anderson and 0% of the black people for Chael (I will let you figure out the other 2 %s: roaddawg let me know if you need help with that).

After the fight when I was outside, a group of black guys started saying a bunch of anti white stuff. I just ignored it, too old or not drunk enough to waste my time.

I never understood the double standard in todays age, that blacks can be in public and bust out the white jokes or anti white statements and its ok. But if one white guy says ANYTHING, even a joke about black people in front of them... they go bananas.

[VimyRidge]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

Its the same reason why many people are so polarized with Obama. Take off the rose colored glasses SJ (it runs much deeper than skills and MMA)

Didn't 55 % of whites vote McCain and 43 % for Obama while for blacks....wait for it ... wait....95% for Obama and 4% for McCain....you are correct roaddawg, there is racism in the US.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by FedortheCan

I never understood the double standard in todays age, that blacks can be in public and bust out the white jokes or anti white statements and its ok. But if one white guy says ANYTHING, even a joke about black people in front of them... they go bananas.

Works both ways homie, ive noticed white kids have gotten much more bold in the comments they make about other races (specifically in Vestal).

I thinks its much too deep of an issue to make general statements about it though, and these instances are situational.