Originally Posted by Masscore
I like Shogun and all but he isn't beating Jones or Hendo any time soon. I think he would have a better showing against Jones in a rematch but still get finished late. Against a 100% healthy Hendo I think he gets finished or a takes a 5 round beating.
Shogun is just going to go down as a guy who has been cut short by injuries. Without all the injuries and long lay offs in his careers there is still a good chance Shogun would be the UFC champion. But his injuries has taken a toll on his body.
So he would still be champion but lose to Hendo?
I like shogun, but there is nothing to even remotely show that he would beat Jones, if he had not gotten injured. His career has definetly been injury plagued, he could have reached an even higher level... but enough to deal with and beat Jones? no
I dont see the Rematch going well for him... Shogun has never had great TDD and Jones is one of the best in the game... He does a lot of damage when he gets on top.
As for Hendo still beating Shogun at his very best I have to Disagree as well. I picked shogun for their fight, but knew if Shogun fought that way he would have a good chance of losing to Dan.
If he made it a more technical striking battle he could beaten Dan. He went in there... made it a battle of Hands in the pocket and didnt worry about clinching with Dan, the Greco expert... Of course that wouldnt favor him... and look he still almost won... Some think he did... I dont, but it was close...
And for the record... I know this has nothing to do with anything mentioned... but if Rampage at his best fought the Shogun or Hendo that fought against each other, he would have beaten them both.
A close range slug fest... I personally believe that he has as good of a chin as both of them, if not better... as well as more power... Even than a H-bomb... I still say a Rampage hook can do more damage... It just hasnt found the mark in a while...
Originally Posted by IceCold48
What does it matter if he's easier to study? He never ever gameplans against anybody just goes out there and bangs.
Did you see the first and second Machida fight...
The first fight he fought very technically. Truly showcased his muay thai, moving in and out nicely... laterally and circling... not just moving forward like he often does... kicking the legs and body.
The second fight he also mentioned how he trained that counter right over and over again because of lyoto's tendency when he comes in.
Originally Posted by CtGreat
That's how I feel about allot of the pride fighters.
More because the sport has evolved and the level has dramatically increased... Not that the UFC at the time was any better.... They didnt have Jon Jones back then...