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[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by MIZJUDOZOU

Sakara, your sig is an example of a violent concussion, IMO.

You're missing the point and only associated KO's with concussions which is NOT the case and has NEVER been the case.

Just Google it man.

[MIZjitsZOU]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

You're missing the point and only associated KO's with concussions which is NOT the case and has NEVER been the case.

Just Google it man.

I understand you can be cuncussed without being ko'd. I train. I get it.

I just haven't seen any violent ones, as of late, and that might be a testament to how tough he is.

[AnchorPunch]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Call it what you will but Vera came out of that fight the more celebrated. Add one more person to the list of people who didn't want to stand with Vera.

shogun started the fight with takedowns against hendo too. at the time i thought it was him training for and practicing in real fights for jones where he might be thinking about wrestlers being weak off their backs. but (and god help me for this) uncle dana gives me the impression that shogun isn't hungering for that fight...

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Because he has the cardio of a dead person.

ha! and, yeh though, that's actually why i wonder about ongoing body damage. it's pretty common for guys towards the end of their careers to note that back, knee, etc. injuries are preventing their recovery. i always wonder about shogun and bj, but no evidence of it really.

Originally Posted by MIZJUDOZOU

Demarques Jonhson suffered a violent cuncussion. Maybe my definition is wrong.

agreed that "violent" would be an overstatement given the surrounding ko's, but you don't have to be ko/tko'd to have a concussion. i don't know about mma, but certainly in boxing it's very common to have a concussion but make it to a decision. i'd be surprised if shogun didn't have one in the henderson fight, but that was certainly a unique fight.

[AnchorPunch]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

You're missing the point and only associated KO's with concussions which is NOT the case and has NEVER been the case.

Just Google it man.

damn, multitasking after i clicked 'quote' and you beat me to it. i no longer have anything relevant to add

[Sakara=Excitement]

To think that Shogun, a man who has been around the block a few times and been in countless wars wouldn't have numerous concussions is insane.

Not to mention how slow Shogun has become, the toll his multiple injuries are taking on his health and training regimen, as well as how he has looked since coming to the UFC which hasn't been spectacular.

The Shogun that showed up against Hendo and Vera would get absolutely MERC'd against Jones six ways from Sunday.

[KevoOnTheRadio]

I really think if Vera's cardio was a bit better, he could have won that fight last night.

[SimpleJack]

I'm a huge shogun fan and he looked a bit slower and off last night.

[Trustym2]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Had guns been legal, Vera could of shot him.

Quote of the day, LOL.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

I'm of the belief that Shogun has alot of wear and tear on his body and for his age, he's taken a tremendous amount of damage. I HATE when you hear the complement, "he's got a helluva chin/iron chin", because those are the guys that end up suffering from the longterm consequences, having taken so many shots. I love watching Shogun fight, but I fear how much more he can take. His knees alone give me alot of pause and just wonder if he can keep it up without re-injuring his knees.

I really recommend studying TBI(traumatic brain injury) to get a greater grasp on the wide-ranging impact of concussions and from there, what concussions really are. There's an excellent PBS:Frontline episode on sports concussions you can view online that really highlights that you don't need to be knocked out to suffer a concussion.

[Ramma]

this article...lol...

Shogun isn't a guy that has taken a massive amount of damage in his career. Has he been in a few wars? Of course. Shogun, when compared to most fighters, is pretty average in the damage taken department. Especially when compared with other strikers. Where is this mass amount of damage everyone seems to be talking about? Compared to who? Anderson Silva? Yes, compared to Anderson Silva, Shogun is Big Nog.

This "writer" is portraying an image that is false (no surprise, it's Bloody Elbow). Shogun in his under 30 fight, 10 year career is not full of Dan Henderson and Rogerio Nogueira fights (and notice, those are the only two real examples he gives). Shogun isn't Nogueira, Wanderlei, Jardine, Forrest, Chuck, whoever. Those are guys where you have to think about physical health and brain injuries.

He hasn't taken massive amounts of punishment or been through countless grueling fights. The guy has mostly first round (or 2nd round depending on how you want to count the first round in PRIDE) finishes.

Of course, his body has taken the same wear and tear as anyone who has been fighting for 10 years. There is nothing special about "Shogun's situation".

I have more to say, but why bother? This article is...what it is...