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[Masscore]

Originally Posted by IceCold48

Shogun clearly out struck Vera what are you talking about? And I wouldn't say hendo got the better of him standing it was back and forth and in the 4th and 5th rounds hendo literally did nothing.

For the first 3 rounds Hendo outstruck Shogun 69-47. The last two rounds is when Shogun turned the fight into a grappling match and there wasn't nearly as much stand-up.

And for the 4 rounds, Shogun outlanded Vera 68-67. But Vera didn't really land anything in the first round.

But the point I am making is Shogun when he was healthy and young would never lose a stand-up fight to anyone. Actually when he was young and healthy he just utterly ripped people apart in the stand-up department. There is no way you can watch Shogun's last couple fights and not think something is wrong.

[IceCold48]

Originally Posted by Masscore

For the first 3 rounds Hendo outstruck Shogun 69-47. The last two rounds is when Shogun turned the fight into a grappling match and there wasn't nearly as much stand-up.

And for the 4 rounds, Shogun outlanded Vera 68-67. But Vera didn't really land anything in the first round.

But the point I am making is Shogun when he was healthy and young would never lose a stand-up fight to anyone. Actually when he was young and healthy he just utterly ripped people apart in the stand-up department. There is no way you can watch Shogun's last couple fights and not think something is wrong.

It was equal in strikes landed but shogun did more damage and got the ko so Id say that's out striking.

Also unrelated to your post but rated to this thread in general, shogun hasn't taken all that much damage considering he finished a lot of his fights in the first round and a few where he really took no damage at all.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by IceCold48

Also unrelated to your post but rated to this thread in general, shogun hasn't taken all that much damage considering he finished a lot of his fights in the first round and a few where he really took no damage at all.

Shogun has been fighting professionally since 2002. Not to mention any fights before that and all the sparring that took place during his Chutebox years.

If you or anyone think that Shogun hasn't taken 'all that much damage' in his career, you guys are delusional and don't understand how head injuries truly work.

Just because someone says Shogun has taken too much damage doesn't mean he sucks, it doesn't mean he's getting KO'd left and right.

Shit like these responses I have been hearing make me scared man. I thought reasoning would rise over fanboydom.

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I think people in the MMA world have become extremely naive to believe their sport is somehow safer with the fans drinking the koolaid. Just wait until there are more Gary Goodridge's walking around.

[lwbrewer]

Most of you need to look at what Masscore is saying. He didn't say Vera beat him or hung with him. He's saying todays performance of Rua doesn't compare to his older performances. Plain and simple Rua isn't what he use to be.

[Sniggles]

Yes, it is quite obvious he is no longer in his prime.


He is not at the point where he absolutely must retire.

[lwbrewer]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Yes, it is quite obvious he is no longer in his prime.
That seemed like a hard concept for some to grasp though

He is not at the point where he absolutely must retire.

Agree

[SimpleJack]

Yet only 3 fights ago he was beating lyoto senseless when supposedly no one else could. I think he will be fine but needs time to heal those legs.