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Thanks again rh for the info.

Since more and more people seem to be saying that there is not medical evidence linking weight cuts and testosterone production, is anyone else thinking that Rogan's comments to that during broadcast are intended misinformation??
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I just talked to an endocrinologist about 6 months ago specifically about this, and she stated that she hasn't seen anything linking weight cutting to low test production. She indicated that it would make sense if the individual was a developing adolescent and was lowering their electrolyte levels to the point of permenant impact, but that it would probably be a consistent effect: ie, that if a 12 year-old kid is cutting 15% of their BW to wrestle routinely, they're probably never going to produce the testosterone that a healthy kid would. But that it probably wouldn't be something like normal production for 15 year and then drop off when they approach 30. She said there is a lot of data connecting long-term steriod use with low biological production, and that longterm TRT can have the same effect.

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This makes since didactically, but with a self-governing and adapting body who knows exactly how the innate reacts in every case? One important lesson that I learned when studying research is that causation doesn't equate to correlation.

Ad nauseam, chronic dehydration has a negative impact on thyroid function, which produces many precursor hormones of testosterone. You screw with the thyroid and you screw with the systems in which the thyroid helps to regulate. This includes: NICEPISSGIRL ...it's a mnemonic that I learned in endocrinology regarding all the systems that are maintained by the thyroid and its secreted hormones, mmkay.

I would dare say that many elite MMA atheletes are/were top tier wrestlers have cut weight in a less than advantageous manner for years. This, long term, carries many metabolic disadvantages. Yes, manipulating hormone levels via synthetic steroids can have a harmful effect on one's body. But to say that is only way and that weight cutting doesn't have any effect is highly suspect...regardless of who that info is coming from, e.g. Endocrinologist, Nutritionist, GP, hippie...etc.

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Since more and more people seem to be saying that there is not medical evidence linking weight cuts and testosterone production, is anyone else thinking that Rogan's comments to that during broadcast are intended misinformation??
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Thanks again rh for the info.

Since more and more people seem to be saying that there is not medical evidence linking weight cuts and testosterone production, is anyone else thinking that Rogan's comments to that during broadcast are intended misinformation??
It hasn't been proved or disproved as far as I know. I think the reference is anecdotal...everybody knows someone on TRT who cut weight as a teenager, therefore they assume that something is up.

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Ah, thanks. I'm going back to my non-conspiracy theory ways now :P
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