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Chris Wiedman, he's tne #1 contender at MW
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George St. Pierre, he's p4p elite
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Nick Diaz, he's scrappy and will trade
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08-20-2012, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rivethead I don't have an answer, other than to further complicate things. Rampage recently posted that Firas Zahibi and GSP himself have stated that Georges is an ectomorph, which means it wouldn't be easy for him to pack musclemass on his frame. Personally, I don't agree with the assessment. He's got the classic mesomorph body frame, but they were specifically referring to his ability to gain mass. I'm betting Georges diet and regimen have his metabolism exceptionally high, making it difficult to gain weight; | George is most likely an mesomorphic ectomorph. He doesnt put on muscle or fat too easily as his trainer said, but at the same time... Most very true ectomorphs could only dream of having the muscle that GSP has. As with most people it is typically a combination of bodytypes... Its hard to find people that are exactly a picture perfect example of just one... You also cannot overlook his length. Quote:
Originally Posted by rivethead so it's not like he's going to be able to just hit the gym a bit harder and eat an extra steak and bulk right up. | Well that is a start. He does have a nice team around him to manage his every move... From nutrition, supplements, weightlifting routine... And much more. GSP is about as professional as you get. Quote:
Originally Posted by rivethead The last I heard was that he would want a year to do it, and that it would be a permanent move to MW, that he didn't think he'd be able to cut back down if he added the size. When you couple that time-frame with the layoff he's had at WW due to injury, you're looking at 2014, essentially--and that's if he still thinks the fight is interesting, which is questionable. | Ya if Anderson is even around by then as well. If that fight were to happen I doubt he would give GSP that long... unless he did it immediately after the condit fight.
I certainly think GSP is capable of doing it, but how beneficial would it be for him. IMO he clearly already has a good strength advantage on Anderson. He would need to focus a lot more on setting up his takedowns and his top control, not really his strength. Sure it would only help... But it would be far more important against other MW's like Sonnen or Weidman. Quote:
Originally Posted by rivethead Does even the most blinded-by-manlove Anderson fanboy want to see him idle for the next 16 months on the gamble that Georges will still want to move up? If that's the case, I'd just as soon have him vacate the title and have Zuffa hold a MW tourney.
rh | I hope not. He should not take any time off unless it for an injury. He is already showing his age there, he has been getting injured quite a bit over the past few years.
With any older fighter... If they are looking to get the most out of themselves, the need to keep active. Because one fight they will just step in there and realize they arent the same anymore, age will hit them like a sack of bricks.
I hope he doesnt go the way of Fedor. I was very concerned when he started fighting less frequently. like GSP said, you must always evolve or you will get passed up. Im not really concerned with Anderson on a technical level. Unlike some other big name fighters like Rampage or BJ he does actually train even when he isnt fighting and help out other fighters as well. The physical aspect is what he needs to worry about.
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08-20-2012, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Sniggles Weidman or vacate. | This.
I voted weidman. A champion should defend his belt until he either, loses, retires, or dies. No reason for him to take any other fight when he has a worthy contender ready and waiting.
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08-20-2012, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Spoon Yup. I actually did a little search and found Silva allegedly weighs anywhere from 220-240 naturally, and GSP allegedly weighs around the 195 mark. | This is the reason Fedor was considered to have greater P4P significance than Silva. They both walk around at roughly the same weight, but Silva fights 2 weight classes below. Silva and GSP are rarely the smaller fighter, they employ size as a tactical advantage. I wish there were same day weigh ins.
I don't believe GSP could beat Wiedman. I also don't believe GSP is a superfight for Silva anymore than I believe Silva is a superfight for Jones. First fight or last fight, the only guy that has earned the right for this fight is Wiedman. Maybe he's too new to garner huge ppv numbers, but that won't be a problem in the rematch when Silva tries to get the belt back. This will just be phase 1.
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08-20-2012, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rampage9712 I certainly think GSP is capable of doing it, but how beneficial would it be for him. IMO he clearly already has a good strength advantage on Anderson. He would need to focus a lot more on setting up his takedowns and his top control, not really his strength. Sure it would only help... But it would be far more important against other MW's like Sonnen or Weidman. | Oddly, I don't think you're giving Anderson enough credit here. Anderson is deceptively strong. Franklin said he was shocked at how strong Silva was, and several other fighters echo'd the concerns...and that was even before he put on the bulk to fight at LHW--some of which he still retains now.
I don't see any way to tell for sure other than getting them side-by-side in a strongman comp, but I wouldn't say that Georges has a strength advantage.
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08-20-2012, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rivethead ...but you should be prepared to answer a follow-up question:
Do you want to see that fight because it's a spectacle, or because you feel the opponent poses the most legitimate threat to Anderson?
rh | Chris is a true threat to Anderson. I am a Anderson fan and think he can take all three, but Chris' combo of GnP power, BB level BJJ and wrestling is Anderson's worst nightmare right now.
GSP is too small for Anderson IMO and Nick cant do anything to Anderson IMO.
GSP has a shot but Nick gets put to sleep by Anderson.
So I want to see Chris W get the fight....
...or give the fight to Bisping so I can see Anderon knock him the fuck out
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08-22-2012, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RearNakedStroke Fighting a champ at a lighter weight class would do absolutely nothing to help his standing in the P4P category.
If its his last fight he should fight GSP. It would be all about the spectacle and not about the next worthy opponent, which is obviously Weidman. | P4P is already subjective in nature anyways. I would be content on Silva being one of the best if not the best fighter in the UFC and what better way to do so than to beat the guy that people often had as a runner up to GOAT.
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08-22-2012, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by roaddawg P4P is already subjective in nature anyways. I would be content on Silva being one of the best if not the best fighter in the UFC and what better way to do so than to beat the guy that people often had as a runner up to GOAT. | By opting to take the more challenging superfight against the guy a weightclass above him perhaps?
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08-22-2012, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by H0SS By opting to take the more challenging superfight against the guy a weightclass above him perhaps? | |
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08-22-2012, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by H0SS By opting to take the more challenging superfight against the guy a weightclass above him perhaps? | Ahhh yes the guy that doesn't want to fight him either.... gotcha. Yea let me know how that works out bro... cool story.
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08-22-2012, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by roaddawg Ahhh yes the guy that doesn't want to fight him either.... gotcha. Yea let me know how that works out bro... cool story. | You're right, cuz Jones would NEEEEVEER fight a "friend"...
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