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[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

The difference is, Cain is a cardio whore. He weighs above 240 and still has top notch cardio. Jones could bulk up to there, but his cardio would suffer tremendously. I'm sure Cain actually weighs allot more when he isn't in shape.

It would take Jones a year to properly bulk up for heavyweight without having Bloated Muscle Syndrome. Jon has a solid 2-4 years fighting at LHW, I'd think. Jones should not be in any hurry to move up to heavyweight. Articles on this subject are premature and irrelevant.

[grambino]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

Qft means "quote for truth"

He was agreeing with you

You're right, jumped the gun, my wife uses the same 3 letters and it means quite something different. She's the only one who does, but does it quite often!

[grambino]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

It would take Jones a year to properly bulk up for heavyweight without having Bloated Muscle Syndrome. Jon has a solid 2-4 years fighting at LHW, I'd think. Jones should not be in any hurry to move up to heavyweight. Articles on this subject are premature and irrelevant.

Sorry for the double post. Do you see Jones being anywhere near the elite strikers currently in the HW division when it comes to power? It's not just the weight, I don't really see Jones as a power guy or a pure striker. JDS, AO and Cain for instance throw with some bad intentions. They don't just have more power, they throw with it as well.

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by grambino

Sorry for the double post. Do you see Jones being anywhere near the elite strikers currently in the HW division when it comes to power? It's not just the weight, I don't really see Jones as a power guy or a pure striker. JDS, AO and Cain for instance throw with some bad intentions. They don't just have more power, they throw with it as well.

In 2-4 years, yes. Now.... no. I don't think Jones would stand a chance against AO, JDS or Cain at this point despite Jones undoubtedly being the largest fighter in his division. Sure, his reach is more than all 3 of those fighters but I do believe that their athleticism, grappling ability, experience, power and explosiveness outweigh Jones' reach advantage. Jones is a whirling dervish at Light Heavyweight and holds a significant advantage with his reach, frame and size. That advantage would dissipate upon moving up.

Reaches:
Jones - 84.5 in

Overeem - 80 in
JDS - 77 in
Cain - 73 in

What is interesting to note is how Jones could easily be larger than Cain, if that was his intention with a training camp. Cain is 6'1 - 240 lbs whereas Jones' frame is much larger and most likely weighs 230 pre-camp.

[1inthechamber]

Originally Posted by grambino

He'll need to evaluate the situation with respect to endorsements. The longer he can stay at LHW the better for him. He won't be the HW champion any time soon. I don't believe he'd be a sure bet against anyone in the top 5 or maybe top 10. Every advantage he employs currently will be negated. He's not an elite striker and won't have a strength advantage anywhere. He also isn't a big puncher but will be facing many. He's the darling of LHW, but can't see many companies rushing to endorse the 4th or 5th best fighter in a weight class.

Originally Posted by Sniggles

In 2-4 years, yes. Now.... no. I don't think Jones would stand a chance against AO, JDS or Cain at this point despite Jones undoubtedly being the largest fighter in his division. Sure, his reach is more than all 3 of those fighters but I do believe that their athleticism, grappling ability, experience, power and explosiveness outweigh Jones' reach advantage. Jones is a whirling dervish at Light Heavyweight and holds a significant advantage with his reach, frame and size. That advantage would dissipate upon moving up.

Reaches:
Jones - 84.5 in

Overeem - 80 in
JDS - 77 in
Cain - 73 in

What is interesting to note is how Jones could easily be larger than Cain, if that was his intention with a training camp. Cain is 6'1 - 240 lbs whereas Jones' frame is much larger and most likely weighs 230 pre-camp.

I doubt he will miraculously gain ko power tho, if he has yet to really hurt someone with a punch at lhw where he has a considerably large strength advantage. On another note, his elbows wont be as vicious if he bulks up too much, his elbows cut opponents easily due to the leverage he can throw them at and how sharp they are. So probably wont be cutting people as nasty with them at lhw.

[RearNakedStroke]

I don't think he will do as bad at HW as some people are saying. When I see both of his brothers I'm surprised he has been able to stay at lhw as long as he has. I bet it hasn't been easy. Just one camp of trying to put on muscle and not trying to stay light and I would bet he comes in at 240. I also doubt the would throw him out against a top fighter either. They would probably start him off against someone more like Herman.

[The Return Of......]

Originally Posted by 1inthechamber

I doubt he will miraculously gain ko power tho, if he has yet to really hurt someone with a punch at lhw where he has a considerably large strength advantage. On another note, his elbows wont be as vicious if he bulks up too much, his elbows cut opponents easily due to the leverage he can throw them at and how sharp they are. So probably wont be cutting people as nasty with them at lhw.

his elbows do not really cut people. Vera had his orbital broken, shogun and Lyoto were both rocked. Rashad was wobbled standing with an elbow. Jones throws a pretty powerful elbow

[macewen]

I hate getting excited for things i know will A)never happen, or B) not happen for years to come. Id love to see jones get humbled....i think getting ktfo might be great for jones career in the long run,

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by 1inthechamber

I doubt he will miraculously gain ko power tho, if he has yet to really hurt someone with a punch at lhw where he has a considerably large strength advantage. On another note, his elbows wont be as vicious if he bulks up too much, his elbows cut opponents easily due to the leverage he can throw them at and how sharp they are. So probably wont be cutting people as nasty with them at lhw.

Well if he does gain weight and strength, then yes his power will increase, but not anything significantly. He actually knocked out some guys before he came to the UFC. It may be more of a technical thing than anything. A big man's best punches should always be their straight punches. His jab and right. Long and tall guys can produce a lot of power with their straight right. He will get there some day.

Man i need to sharpen my elbows...

Originally Posted by RearNakedStroke

I don't think he will do as bad at HW as some people are saying. When I see both of his brothers I'm surprised he has been able to stay at lhw as long as he has. I bet it hasn't been easy. Just one camp of trying to put on muscle and not trying to stay light and I would bet he comes in at 240. I also doubt the would throw him out against a top fighter either. They would probably start him off against someone more like Herman.

The UFC would need to gradually introduce him to the HW division. Let him work his way up.

He also doesnt need to pull an AO and get huge. He is pretty cut at 225. 25 pounds of solid muscle should be more than enough.

[1inthechamber]

[QUOTE=rampage9712;959044]Well if he does gain weight and strength, then yes his power will increase, but not anything significantly. He actually knocked out some guys before he came to the UFC. It may be more of a technical thing than anything. A big man's best punches should always be their straight punches. His jab and right. Long and tall guys can produce a lot of power with their straight right. He will get there some day.

Man i need to sharpen my elbows...



Of course he would some strength but I'm talking more about 1 punch ko power. He doesn't really use his jab and straight to its full potential, only to keep his opponents back. His striking is not very good , the thing with Jones and I've been saying this for awhile. His striking defense sucks, his opponents need to put the pressure on him, walk him back and not give him space to throw any kicks.

Rampage really pissed me off with his performance. All he did was wing shots, no knees or clinching at all (hendo vs page). He had some success with his leg kicks why didn't his shitty corner tell him to keep using them?

Just imagine if Shogun actually showed up and actually used his leg kicks, couldn't take much to damage his skinny legs.