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[dimerules28]

Originally Posted by Rise

Or we could say draw the line at if you need medication or get over a short term injury/illness to compete maybe that's ok... but if you need injections of something that is typically considered a PED because you are physically past your prime and can't compete with out then maybe that's not ok.

So are you suggesting I have a medical degree or work as a trainer before I can have my personal input on the subject ? Ok same goes for you then how much vast study do you have in this ? what makes you more qualified to think you are right while others are wrong ?

Beautiful my friend. Very well put.

[Rise]

Originally Posted by H0SS

Because you are the one trying to criticize the Athletic Commission's decision to allow fighters to compete while on TRT... not him.

Actually I didn't really mention much about the commissions decision one way or the other. I merely stated that vegetables and multi vitamins don't equate to the same thing as TRT in responses to something he said earlier.

If he can back their decision as right shouldn't he have as much onus of proof to back his opinion as being in the right and educated or do we accept the commissions choices as always being right here.

Cause surely atheletic commissions in MMA are faultless and always do things perfect.

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Or maybe we draw the line and say the opinions of fans without a medical degree don't matter.

Most of the people speaking ill of this subject understand very little of what TRT is or how the commission deals with it. These people are making an emotional decision rather than an educated one.

Hey while were at it maybe we should just close down the forums cause surely we shouldn't be able to speak about things in here if our views counter each other.

Course you think everyone is a sheep and unable to do any critical thinking.

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Explain to me the perimeters of the testing and the science of testosterone replacement therapy. If you cannot present any knowledge on the topic, your opinion doesn't mean shit.

Would a teacher or professor give you a decent grade if you did not demonstrate an ounce of knowledge on the topic to back your insistent point that someone else's judgement is incorrect, yet yours is not?

You know what I actually was in the process of answering the questions you asked but changed my mind not gonna waste my time on it. You want to assume I don't have an informed opinion on the matter knock yourself out.

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by Rise

Actually I didn't really mention much about the commissions decision one way or the other. I merely stated that vegetables and multi vitamins don't equate to the same thing as TRT in responses to something he said earlier.

If he can back their decision as right shouldn't he have as much onus of proof to back his opinion as being in the right and educated or do we accept the commissions choices as always being right here.

Cause surely atheletic commissions in MMA are faultless and always do things perfect.

He doesn't have to back the commission's decision. The regulation has already been put in place. If you have a problem with it, it is on you to explain why, and have credible facts behind your argument.

And you are doing a poor job so far.

[Rise]

Originally Posted by H0SS

He doesn't have to back the commission's decision. The regulation has already been put in place. If you have a problem with it, it is on you to explain why, and have credible facts behind your argument.

And you are doing a poor job so far.

So your saying I need to explain the difference to you between multi-vitamins and spinach as opposed to TRT. Thought that was kind of self explanatory...

That was the basis of my arguement in counter to what RH originally said.

Do I really need to break that down anymore ?

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by Rise

So your saying I need to explain the difference to you between multi-vitamins and spinach as opposed to TRT. Thought that was kind of self explanatory...

That was the basis of my arguement in counter to what RH originally said.

Do I really need to break that down anymore ?

No, I don't think you are capable of "breaking it down." You don't have an actual reason other than the fact that you don't like it. And based on your past posts, you need to educate yourself more on PED's as well.

[Rise]

Originally Posted by H0SS

No, I don't think you are capable of "breaking it down." You don't have an actual reason other than the fact that you don't like it. And based on your past posts, you need to educate yourself more on PED's as well.

You need to do the same

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Rise

Or we could say draw the line at if you need medication or get over a short term injury/illness to compete maybe that's ok... but if you need injections of something that is typically considered a PED because you are physically past your prime and can't compete with out then maybe that's not ok.

We could say that, but that's not what Jones is saying, and not what people who hate the concept of TRT are saying. Jones literally stated

I think if you're an athlete you're an athlete, you shouldn't use anything for enhancement.

...which is a stupid statement, but sadly one that I've heard a lot. It's stupid because a line needs to be drawn somewhere between eating healthy and becoming a cyborg who shoots lasers out of his nostrils, because both qualify as enhancements. So I leave it up to the people who have done the most research on the subject to draw the line, as opposed to people who don't know anything beyond the anecdotal soundbytes they regurgitate on the subject.

Your issue is that you're assuming Henderson is past his prime based on his age. That's an assumption that I can't prove or disprove, but it's an assumption. TRT doesn't give him the T levels of a 20 year old. It gives him the normal levels of a 40 year old. If you're assuming anything else, you should also be assuming that Jones is juicing, because you have exactly the same amount of actual empirical evidence to support both assumptions.

Me, I don't think Jones is juicing, and I don't think Dan is abusing.

So are you suggesting I have a medical degree or work as a trainer before I can have my personal input on the subject ?

No, not at all. I'm saying you're welcome to your input, and welcome to your opinion, as I am welcome to mine. But your input becomes more qualified the more actual research you put into a subject, and at this point, I haven't read any input from anonymous webwarriors that indicates they've put as much time and attention into the matter as the ACs. I do hear a lot of anecdotal bullshit, which is fine. One of my goals as an admin here is to allow people space to express their opinions...even if they're bullshit. That's why there are so many dumbfuck trolls on the forum.

I don't agree that the AC's do everything right, and they could do a lot more with PED's in general. But the research I've done--and I've done quite a bit--indicates that they're doing this right. So I'm OK with it.

You don't have to be...but it's not going to change anything in the real world.

rh

[Kimbo> Rampage]

sigh...

not this again...

comparing inject-able testosterone to vitamins...

because both are beneficiary... why not put them on the same line...

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

sigh...

not this again...

comparing inject-able testosterone to vitamins...

because both are beneficiary... why not put them on the same line...

sigh...another failure to read/understand my posts.

I'm not comparing anything. I'm saying the argument that "nobody should take anything that enhances their performance" is as inherently foolish as your reading comprehension makes you out to be.


rh

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

sigh...

not this again...

comparing inject-able testosterone to vitamins...

because both are beneficiary... why not put them on the same line...

Studying longer vs taking aderol (not difficult to get a prescription without having Add/ADHD). They both increase test scores, therefore they are both equal.