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[Y2JUBAE]

Jones is Bi-Polar. One day he is cocky, the next he is "gettin some fans" humble. I would have loved Jones if he would have just came out as himself, a cocky, conceited person who happens to be the greatest physical specimen mma has ever seen. But fakeness is just too much for me to overcome.

[Luc1an]

Originally Posted by joeodd2

Hendo made comments with the sole purpose of demeaning Jones and gaining support from his detractors, otherwise why even mention it? No Hendo does not respect Jones or want to be his freind, he wants to beat him and take the belt. So Jones should also want to beat him and keep his title. It's as simple as that. Trying to figure out who the "real" Jon Jones is, is in and off it'self pointless. He's a guy on TV who fights, that all most of us will ever really know about the guy. You may like him or dislike him, but I have a feeling that he's going to remain successful throughout his career. Even if he does lose one day, I think he would bounce back and win a rematch with who ever beats him. And those who thinks a loss will make him more "humble" I hope you're wrong and remains who he wants to be. Maybe it's just my personality, to go against the majority when it comes to personality issues.

And I won't lie, when I hear White People or any race talking about a black man losing so that he can be "humbled", that does bother me a little bit. I know it's not a skin color thing for most fans, but it does draw images of Jack Johnson and other fighters who people wanted to see lose and "humbles", so that they would "know their place". So many fans are just unaware of that history with Black Athletes, and many just don't care. And that's fine, but to me Jones is a unique talent with a style no one else has. I want to see him succeed and and infuriate his critics. I would root for him no matter what color he was, but I do admit to rooting just a bit harder because he shares that intimate history with so many Black Athletes that have come before him.

why you gotta bring race into this? what history with black athletes?? who the fuck cares what color he is? hes just a douche, plain and simple. Man its so sad that you have to resort to moving the argument to a racial one to try and make some dumb point you think you might have.

[rspier]

Originally Posted by disposableassassin

Somebody gets it! I don't have black friends or Hispanic friends or Asian friends or even white friends. I just have friends. Race plays no part in it. I don't see people for the color of their skin or the accent they may speak in. I see them for what kind of human being they are. Jones seems like he may be a good person that has had too much success far too quickly. That coupled with his athletic prowess has created a person with an overblown ego.

Yup. Here the thing, I do like jones. I want to see Henderson win, just so he gets UFC gold. But lately jones talks a lot about money and respect... Just talk about the fighter. I don't mind that he called Hendo old, hell... He is old for for a fighter... But jones is letting his ego over take him, I still respect him as a fighter... Just bummed by his attitude lately.

[sonofsteven]

Originally Posted by Pasha K

He is not likeable, but at least it looks that he decided to forget his "Extremely humble, role model" fake persona.

It's about time . I actually think i will dislike him less for being an open and honest shit talker than when he was trying to be so smooth and humble. he is being honest and no longer acting like I am dumb enough to buy his act. Weird.

Originally Posted by d-low

You hit the nail right on the head with this one...the only satisfying ending to Jon Jones in my opinion is for him to walk right into that big left hand....

The H-BOMB is right hand. RECOGNIZE!

Originally Posted by MIZJUDOZOU

You know Hendo's old ass is gonna throw shots with bad intentions. Just depends if he can land.

God i hope so. Even if it werent against someone I dislilke I just LOVE seeing that Hbomb land!

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by joeodd2

Hendo made comments with the sole purpose of demeaning Jones and gaining support from his detractors, otherwise why even mention it? No Hendo does not respect Jones or want to be his freind, he wants to beat him and take the belt. So Jones should also want to beat him and keep his title. It's as simple as that. Trying to figure out who the "real" Jon Jones is, is in and off it'self pointless. He's a guy on TV who fights, that all most of us will ever really know about the guy. You may like him or dislike him, but I have a feeling that he's going to remain successful throughout his career. Even if he does lose one day, I think he would bounce back and win a rematch with who ever beats him. And those who thinks a loss will make him more "humble" I hope you're wrong and remains who he wants to be. Maybe it's just my personality, to go against the majority when it comes to personality issues.

And I won't lie, when I hear White People or any race talking about a black man losing so that he can be "humbled", that does bother me a little bit. I know it's not a skin color thing for most fans, but it does draw images of Jack Johnson and other fighters who people wanted to see lose and "humbles", so that they would "know their place". So many fans are just unaware of that history with Black Athletes, and many just don't care. And that's fine, but to me Jones is a unique talent with a style no one else has. I want to see him succeed and and infuriate his critics. I would root for him no matter what color he was, but I do admit to rooting just a bit harder because he shares that intimate history with so many Black Athletes that have come before him.

Dafuq? Put that card back in the deck.

[joeodd2]

Originally Posted by disposableassassin

Somebody gets it! I don't have black friends or Hispanic friends or Asian friends or even white friends. I just have friends. Race plays no part in it. I don't see people for the color of their skin or the accent they may speak in. I see them for what kind of human being they are. Jones seems like he may be a good person that has had too much success far too quickly. That coupled with his athletic prowess has created a person with an overblown ego.

I'm glad you live in that world, but I don't. Where I was raised and the generation my parents came from, race was always on the front line. I too have many friends of different ethnicity, but I don't forget our history and I tend see and hear undertones that others who don't share my experiences or culture may not notice or even be aware of. As I said in my original post, most fans don't have any racist intent when the criticize an athlete. So don't get so fucking butt hurt if I'm being honest about my perception and the perception of many in my culture......for fucks sake.....really....

And for those who think I'm playing the "race card" because I even mentioned Race, then go right ahead and think that. I'm not trying to shame anyone into liking Jon Jones, you can hate his fucking guts if ya want to, that won't make you a racist. What I was pointing out, the phrase "humble him" when referring to black athletes, does come across as saying "put him in his place", to many Blacks who were raised being more aware of our history. I'm not saying that's what's meant, I'm just being honest on how that's perceived by many not just myself. But if you want to perceptive my words as "race baiting" or "playing the race card" then that's your prerogative too. One thing that many people, not just white, seem to not comprehend. Is that many cultures perceive the same things differently. Not caring about those perceptions, being overly defensive when someone is trying to be honest about them, only draws a deeper division, one which the U.S is beginning to see widen almost every day. It would have been nice to get one response, not agreeing with me, but rather trying to find out where I coming from ya know? That's what's missing today, the desire to understand one another rather than just agree or disagree.....There I'm done. I'll put my "Race Cards" away and play nice now......

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by joeodd2

I'm glad you live in that world, but I don't. Where I was raised and the generation my parents came from, race was always on the front line. I too have many friends of different ethnicity, but I don't forget our history and I tend see and hear undertones that others who don't share my experiences or culture may not notice or even be aware of. As I said in my original post, most fans don't have any racist intent when the criticize an athlete. So don't get so fucking butt hurt if I'm being honest about my perception and the perception of many in my culture......for fucks sake.....really....

And for those who think I'm playing the "race card" because I even mentioned Race, then go right ahead and think that. I'm not trying to shame anyone into liking Jon Jones, you can hate his fucking guts if ya want to, that won't make you a racist. What I was pointing out, the phrase "humble him" when referring to black athletes, does come across as saying "put him in his place", to many Blacks who were raised being more aware of our history. I'm not saying that's what's meant, I'm just being honest on how that's perceived by many not just myself. But if you want to perceptive my words as "race baiting" or "playing the race card" then that's your prerogative too. One thing that many people, not just white, seem to not comprehend. Is that many cultures perceive the same things differently. Not caring about those perceptions, being overly defensive when someone is trying to be honest about them, only draws a deeper division, one which the U.S is beginning to see widen almost every day. It would have been nice to get one response, not agreeing with me, but rather trying to find out where I coming from ya know? That's what's missing today, the desire to understand one another rather than just agree or disagree.....There I'm done. I'll put my "Race Cards" away and play nice now......

"I don't forget our history"? You have got to be kidding me. Stop hanging on to the past. You weren't there, and neither were we. You have the same rights as everyone else. People that think like you are the reason why racism still exists. Just fucking let it go man.

Jones needs to be humbled because he is an arrogant douche. Just like Bisping. Just like Ortiz. Just like a variety of other fighters.

[joeodd2]

Originally Posted by H0SS

"I don't forget our history"? You have got to be kidding me. Stop hanging on to the past. You weren't there, and neither were we. You have the same rights as everyone else. People that think like you are the reason why racism still exists. Just fucking let it go man.

Jones needs to be humbled because he is an arrogant douche. Just like Bisping. Just like Ortiz. Just like a variety of other fighters.

someone once said, "those who forget their past are doomed to repeat it". Or something along those lines. It's not a matter of just holding on to old grudges, it goes deeper than that. If you can't step outside yourself to understand where another person is coming from, where a different culture is coming from, then I don't know what else to tell ya. As far as having the same rights go, well that more or less can depend on where you are. There are some "Authority Figures" who don't quite share your enlightenment when it comes the rights of certain people, including people like myself. The desire the believe that everything is equal now, is a blinding influence on society. Things have never been nor will every be "equal". Life is just unfair and do the best you can with what you have to work with.

And I have bad news for those who thinks Racism is kept alive by those who bring it up on an online forum. Racism will be with mankind until we are once again dust. It's as subtle as groups of children forming cliques in the school yard to more overt visuals like KKK/Neo Nazis, Black Panthers, and La Raza Rallies. Identifying more with those more like us is just a part of who we are as human beings. If I'm the only black guy in a bar full of a different culture, and I see another Black person, my instinct is to move closer to them hell maybe even strike up a conversation. And I'm sure it's the same for many of you in a similar situation. That doesn't mean you hate anyone, once again it just makes you a human being.

Fuck I think I just became Sniggles........

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by joeodd2

Identifying more with those more like us is just a part of who we are as human beings. If I'm the only black guy in a bar full of a different culture, and I see another Black person, my instinct is to move closer to them hell maybe even strike up a conversation. And I'm sure it's the same for many of you in a similar situation.

Instead of using skin color as a way to identify with others, you should try getting to know people and identifying with who they are, not just what they look like.

[Sniggles]

Move if you live in some hillbilly town where color actually matters.

People want Jones to be humbled because he is a cocky kid who cannot self-identify how he wants to be perceived by the public, so he fakes being someone who he is not.

You are being the racist here, people criticizing Jones' character are not. They are criticizing him as an individual for his ethnicity.