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[TheDoucheyWun]

If Dan's losses to Silva & Page mean so much..What do Andersons mean against theese fellas?

Ryo Chonan
Daiju Takase
Luiz Azeredo

Hell 2 of them I have never heard of and one i was introduced to because of how amazing the heel hook was.

[TheDoucheyWun]

Oh shit GSP lost to Serra and Hughes...I guess he cant be the best ever.

[dbader08]

I'm with Fedorlei on this one. The fact that Hendo has looked better in his 40's (IMO) than ever before and with his known TRT use, for me there is just too much of a question mark surrounding all of that to put him ahead of Fedor and Anderson.

Plus, Dan has had alot of close decisions go his way. Some people sometimes mention that they thought he won the Rampage fight, which I'm fine with as it was very close. But what about his fights with Carlos Newton, Ninja, Murillo Bustamante, Shogun, and Kaz Misaki? He is extremely lucky to have all of those fights go down as victories.

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by TheDoucheyWun

If Dan's losses to Silva & Page mean so much..What do Andersons mean against theese fellas?

Ryo Chonan
Daiju Takase
Luiz Azeredo

Hell 2 of them I have never heard of and one i was introduced to because of how amazing the heel hook was.

That was early in his career, he's been a dominant champ since he's cleaned up his game. Similarly with GSP. Hendo has never been a dominant champ, any time he's won a belt he's lost it soon after. Also, 8 losses is a lot more then 2 or 3.

[MIZjitsZOU]

Such a subjective topic. Dan is obviously one of the best ever. I put him number one if he beats Jones (big big if). I am a huge fan, but could also see other people being named the goat.

Would he be hands down the goat American fighter? Or is he already there?

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by dbader08

I'm with Fedorlei on this one. The fact that Hendo has looked better in his 40's (IMO) than ever before and with his known TRT use, for me there is just too much of a question mark surrounding all of that to put him ahead of Fedor and Anderson.

Plus, Dan has had alot of close decisions go his way. Some people sometimes mention that they thought he won the Rampage fight, which I'm fine with as it was very close. But what about his fights with Carlos Newton, Ninja, Murillo Bustamante, Shogun, and Kaz Misaki? He is extremely lucky to have all of those fights go down as victories.

ok, so normally i stay out of any discussion that has Fedor in it..AND i'm going to get flamed big time for this but i can take it and it has to be said; Hendo lost to Shields, Rampage and Silva. the common denominator in all 3 fights is there was a TITLE AT STAKE. HE lost the unification bout to quinton, a MW SF Title fight and a MW UFC title fight against arguably one of the greeatest MMA practitioners of an era. FEdor lost a nothing fight to Wurdum, a beatdown of epic proportions against bigfoot (who has been dismantled twice since) and knocked out for the first time in his career by hendo. Make no mistake, I'm not saying Hendo is the GOAT. But to insinuate Fedor did it cause it was the twilight of his career is bullshit. Fedor is 35 and is for all intensive purposes done. Hendo is 40 and has a shot at another title. This is no knock on either guy, but the facts are facts so if you dont like the guy fine, but dont say "he's no Fedor".


H.

[W.Silva>C.Norris]

Its not about who you've lost to, its about what you've accomplished, and how you did it that makes you great.

185 and 205(203 I cant remember what their actual class was) champion at the same time.. nobody else has done anything even close to that. Big wins over big names across 3 weight classes, a resume of nothing but top notch opponents...

what more needs to be said?

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

ok, so normally i stay out of any discussion that has Fedor in it..AND i'm going to get flamed big time for this but i can take it and it has to be said; Hendo lost to Shields, Rampage and Silva. the common denominator in all 3 fights is there was a TITLE AT STAKE. HE lost the unification bout to quinton, a MW SF Title fight and a MW UFC title fight against arguably one of the greeatest MMA practitioners of an era. FEdor lost a nothing fight to Wurdum, a beatdown of epic proportions against bigfoot (who has been dismantled twice since) and knocked out for the first time in his career by hendo. Make no mistake, I'm not saying Hendo is the GOAT. But to insinuate Fedor did it cause it was the twilight of his career is bullshit. Fedor is 35 and is for all intensive purposes done. Hendo is 40 and has a shot at another title. This is no knock on either guy, but the facts are facts so if you dont like the guy fine, but dont say "he's no Fedor".


H.

...So you just decided not to address the fact that Hendo had a shitload of close fights that went his way?...Ok...

Also, Fedor losing to bigfoot was a 220 pound guy losing to a guy who probably weighed close to 280 at fight time. Shoud I bring up the fact that after Dan lost to Lil Nog, Lil Nog went 1-2 in his next 2 fights including a brutal KO loss to Sokodjou?

and guess how Shields won the 185 pound title that he defended against Shields? By guillotining Robbie Lawler...not exactly something to write home about.

What's bullshit is calling a fight against Werdum a "nothing fight" because he doesn't have a title. Maybe if he would have just had to have beaten someone the calibre or Robbie Lawler, and not Overeem, it wouldn't have been so difficult. Plus the SF HW title situation was a joke anyways so your point is moot in that alone.

Oh and there is one more gift decision that Dan had go his way that I forgot to include, his decision over Big Nog, who completely owned him in the rematch. Lil Nog also subbed him with ease. So yes, Hendo did knock out Fedor late in his career, but its easy to tell that early in their careers (pre Dan-Trt), Fedor was the one having much more success...

and guess what...IT'S A DISCUSSION ON WHO IS THE BEST EVER. So of coarse I am going to include Fedor's name...and to me it's quite easy to tell that Fedor isn't as passionate about MMA as he used to be. He is someone who fought because he HAD to, because it was pretty much his only path in life, or at least by far the most lucrative. Once he became wealthy and started a family, his interest in fighting started to slowly decline imo. Yet Hendo is looking as good as ever and even better at the age of 41, and he takes TRT regularly. What a coincidence...

[Masscore]

Right now I have Fedor number 1 of all time but I think eventually GSP will pass him. Hendo is currently number 5 on my list but if he beats Jones I would bump him to number 3 behind Fedor and GSP.

I love Hendo and he is one of my all time favorite but it does hurt him that he has lost to a few guys meanwhile GSP has avenged every lost and Fedor was unbeaten for 10 years. So to pass those two would be very very difficult.

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by W.Silva>C.Norris

Its not about who you've lost to, its about what you've accomplished, and how you did it that makes you great.

185 and 205(203 I cant remember what their actual class was) champion at the same time.. nobody else has done anything even close to that. Big wins over big names across 3 weight classes, a resume of nothing but top notch opponents...

what more needs to be said?

Anderson Silva beat Sakurai at 170 when he was one of the p4p best, what he's done at 185 is obvious, and he beat Griffin right after Griffin lost the belt at 205. I don't know why but people always ignore the fact that Silva fought a large part of his career at 170.