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08-29-2012, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniggles And us dumbass fans think of you in the same light. | Here's an example: On UFC Tonight last night the had a poll on who people thought was the biggest threat to defeat Jones. Sonnen led with %52. Apparently the average UFC fan isn't terribly bright. Good thing they don't represent all MMA fans.
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08-29-2012, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lwbrewer They can't give Jones any more notice than they got. I do agree Zuffa holds a lot of the blame, but they can't produce extra days | Actually they could have... they can reschedule things. They do it with baseballs games, concerts, sporting events when things come up beyond control.
There were other options then trying to throw Chael into a title fight on short notice to keep the event going. Zuffa just didn't explore them.
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08-29-2012, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rise Actually they could have... they can reschedule things. They do it with baseballs games, concerts, sporting events when things come up beyond control.
There were other options then trying to throw Chael into a title fight on short notice to keep the event going. Zuffa just didn't explore them. | Well, a PPV in specific is a helluva lot different from a regular sporting event or concert to reschedule, especially since you have to focus on prime selling times to deliver the product to fans who are going to shell out $54.99, not to mention rescheduling all of the camps, cuts, commissions and all the various difficult PPV service providers. PPV revenue is such a major factor here, and I think that this PPV at a later date not on a Saturday night(because I believe PPV times are set in advance and boxing/other events may already have that spot and can't be preempted like a baseball rainout etc) would be a tad too difficult to successfully pull of, thus they scratched it.
Another issue that came to light this specific time was that they couldn't bump up a fight like Benavidez/Johnson or Bisping/Stann on such short-notice since they cut a good deal of weight and didn't really have too many healthy go-to fighters to step up at that time, coupled with the substandard undercard.
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08-29-2012, 07:37 PM
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Well It's about time.....it's nice to hear a voice who's lips are not glued to Dana's ass. Ok, maybe plenty of fighters and trainers who don't like Dana would also agree with him on this too. But I tell ya. This fight anyone anywhere anytime mentality is a good way to get beat. Most of the time it doesn't work out well for the fighter. Look at Melvin Guillard. Ok he goes into one short notice fight earlier this year and wins big, then he does another and loses bigger. Now he may be on the chopping block if he's finished in his next fight. So yeah, it may sound cool to be that kind of fighter, but at the end of the day, fight fans for the most part have short memories and admire winners.
Fan respect might earn you a free beer in some bar you wallow in after your career is over, but it won't pay your rent, medical bills, kids schooling, ect. Fan respect won't pay for shit that's important in life. At the end of the day, every fighter fights alone, not just in the cage or ring, but also in their personal life. In fact we all do, and making the right decisions to improve the quality of life for you and your family is more important than what 90% of the fighters and fans think of your decision.
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08-29-2012, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre Well, a PPV in specific is a helluva lot different from a regular sporting event or concert to reschedule, especially since you have to focus on prime selling times to deliver the product to fans who are going to shell out $54.99, not to mention rescheduling all of the camps, cuts, commissions and all the various difficult PPV service providers. PPV revenue is such a major factor here, and I think that this PPV at a later date not on a Saturday night(because I believe PPV times are set in advance and boxing/other events may already have that spot and can't be preempted like a baseball rainout etc) would be a tad too difficult to successfully pull of, thus they scratched it.
Another issue that came to light this specific time was that they couldn't bump up a fight like Benavidez/Johnson or Bisping/Stann on such short-notice since they cut a good deal of weight and didn't really have too many healthy go-to fighters to step up at that time, coupled with the substandard undercard. | True they would have had to factor in the PPV workings but maybe bumping the event a full week forward was an option that wasn't considered. Most PPV providers reserve a channel for special events and if nothing is going on that night it's just regular movies or replays of past events. Not sure on any potential competition the following week but not a lot of events hit on Sat nights at the same time.
I think they could of looked at other opponents for Jones. I really l think finding a HW fighter was a viable option. They could of picked one of the lower ranked hw that is in the 230lb range for Jones to fight and that could have worked for everyone involved. Outside of that they could have taken a lessen from the all HW main card a while back.
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08-29-2012, 09:09 PM
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Speaking about the cards being stretched thin, I don't think the fox deal is entirely to blame for that. Yeah they have had several fox shows, but the problem really started when they felt the need to have more than 1 ppv per month.
IMO, the UFC shouldn't have planned to charge for a ppv on Sept. 1st and again on the 22nd, (especially so soon after the edgar vs. bendo and shogun vs. vera cards)
The thin cards should have been one ppv in the first place.
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