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[FedortheCan]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Were I Jones I would not have taken the fight, but I also would not have dealt with the public nor with my employer in the same manner. That is where my problem with Jones lies.

I get what you are saying and agree that Jones can come off as an arrogant douche at times, especially on twitter. However, if any young fighter has had the right to be arrogant though, its Jones. What makes me mad is how all the talk on here is of whatever small quote Jones makes and not how the UFC has turned the tables on Jones. Im not happy with some of the UFC cards of late and how they are indeed watering down their product. This was bound to happen sooner and later. A late injury from Hendo and here we are. I wish someone would really hammer Dana in an interview and get him to comment (whine) about how the cards are fine and nobody is complaining.

[Apex Predator]

Bones is going to Tweet himself into 0 sponsorship one of these days...I can't wait. He may be a gifted fighter, but he's no match against the flame warriors of the Internet.

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by AnchorPunch

No hug needed for me. Just need the thread to go back to opinions about television shows. I, for one, never made it through a single episode of 24. I think it was overrated. So take that.

24 sucked. Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy, Boss, Dexter, The Walking Dead, The Wire and Burn Notice..... damn I pirate too many TV shows.

Originally Posted by FedortheCan

I get what you are saying and agree that Jones can come off as an arrogant douche at times, especially on twitter. However, if any young fighter has had the right to be arrogant thought, its Jones. What makes me mad is how all the talk on here is of whatever small quote Jones makes and not how the UFC has turned the tables on Jones. Im not happy with some of the UFC cards of late and how they are indeed watering down their product. This was bound to happen sooner and later. A late injury from Hendo and here we are. I wish someone would really hammer Dana in an interview and get him to comment (whine) about how the cards are fine and nobody is complaining.

If he is going to define himself as an arrogant douche, then he should own it. Jones does alot of pretending because he doesn't even know who he is, I don't think he will define his character until later in his career.

His problem is that he does indeed come off as an arrogant child, hence the suggestions of the more pragmatic posters that Jones should be hiring a PR firm.

Originally Posted by Apex Predator

Bones is going to Tweet himself into 0 sponsorship one of these days...I can't wait. He may be a gifted fighter, but he's no match against the flame warriors of the Internet.

You're goddamn right.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by FedortheCan

Jones is getting the next guy in line, Machida, next month. Just have to have a little patience and get over it.

Jones is fighting Belfort next month.

Originally Posted by roaddawg

Like I said dude Hendo vs Jones didn't happen due to Hendo. The UFC event getting cancelled is not Jon Jones' fault. If you really feel comfortable using Jones' as a scapegoat by all means.

I've never used Jones as a scapegoat. I've criticized Zuffa's current practice of spreading the cards too thin, dana's utter mismanagement of the crisis, and even Lorenzo's judgement in allowing dana to deal with a delicate situation, since dana's track record in delicate situations is roughly equal to Kenny Florian's success in title fights.

But I've also criticized Jones for his behavior. Which I still feel is entirely justified.

And please stop saying that Jon Jones can easily beat Chael Sonnen. I don't like Chael either but I recognize his skill set and he is infact a dangerous opponent for Jon Jones.

...aren't you the same narcotic-addled mope who was implying that Henderson had absolutely no chance against Jones? Do you see the hypocrisy in making those statements yesterday, and whining about people saying sonnen should never have been offered the LHW title shot, but would have been an easy win for Jones?
Ah. Perhaps fighters need to consider actually fighting in their for-reals-physical weight classes so they don't need to cut 25lbs in that last week. That would be revolutionary.

Originally Posted by FedortheCan

I get what you are saying and agree that Jones can come off as an arrogant douche at times, especially on twitter. However, if any young fighter has had the right to be arrogant thought, its Jones.

If Jones has the right to be arrogant, wouldn't fans have the same right to think he's an ass? Wouldn't you have the same right to think that those fans are misguided?

Isn't that how freedom of choice works?

rh

[joeodd2]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Were I Jones I would not have taken the fight, but I also would not have dealt with the public nor with my employer in the same manner. That is where my problem with Jones lies.

What What What Whaaaaat!?! you've been on this jon jones is a coward pile on since the beginning, you even neg rep me for defending Jones and now you say that if you were him you would have Not taken the fight either!?!

WHAT DA FRAGGLE ROCKING FUCK!?!

[FedortheCan]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Jones is fighting Belfort next month.



rh

Sorry, that was my attempt at sarcasm which was a giant fail, so my bad. On average, a fighter fights what, maybe twice a year? If Machida wasnt going to be ready on a months time, then they wait another month or two so that Machida can prepare. Not get all pissy that Hendo got hurt and Jones turned down Sonnen, so they scrap for a fight 21 days later against another guys a weight class lower. When I first came to this board, I defended Dana. Now I find it impossible to do so. This guy shouldnt be bashing his fighters publicly and also, no throwing temper tantrums like a little during media sessions, which he does often.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by FedortheCan

Sorry, that was my attempt at sarcasm which was a giant fail, so my bad. On average, a fighter fights what, maybe twice a year? If Machida wasnt going to be ready on a months time, then they wait another month or two so that Machida can prepare. Not get all pissy that Hendo got hurt and Jones turned down Sonnen, so they scrap for a fight 21 days later against another guys a weight class lower. When I first came to this board, I defended Dana. Now I find it impossible to do so. This guy shouldnt be bashing his fighters publicly and also, no throwing temper tantrums like a little during media sessions, which he does often.

A lot of people think I hate the UFC, which is just silly. But when dana and the Fertittas first came on the scene, I appreciated the hell out of them. But I've grown to believe the sport has outgrown him. I can't help but think Lorenzo could have handled the negotiations with Jones far better...even if Jones didn't take the fight, I don't think he would have thrown kerosene on the fire as dana did.

With recent rumors that Lyoto is now one more fight away from a rematch, I also don't think Machida should be "punished" by having to take another fight without a more viable LHW challenger to take his place. That's just impacting the integrity of the division out of spite. And I'm disappointed in the way Shogun's name is thrown out there as a viable opponent for 9/22 when he's medically suspended til 9/15, with no contact at all through this coming week. It's like information control to make as many fighters as possible look as bad as possible.

rh

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by rivethead

A lot of people think I hate the UFC, which is just silly. But when dana and the Fertittas first came on the scene, I appreciated the hell out of them. But I've grown to believe the sport has outgrown him. I can't help but think Lorenzo could have handled the negotiations with Jones far better...even if Jones didn't take the fight, I don't think he would have thrown kerosene on the fire as dana did.

With recent rumors that Lyoto is now one more fight away from a rematch, I also don't think Machida should be "punished" by having to take another fight without a more viable LHW challenger to take his place. That's just impacting the integrity of the division out of spite. And I'm disappointed in the way Shogun's name is thrown out there as a viable opponent for 9/22 when he's medically suspended til 9/15, with no contact at all through this coming week. It's like information control to make as many fighters as possible look as bad as possible.

rh

Its hard to not see things going a lot better if Lorenzo was handleing more... Even if he were to take Dana's job.... He has a lot of obligations under the zuffa umbrella and beyond, You do have to wonder if he cares as much as Dana does though.

He cares about his business and more importantly the cash flow, but not sure he would ever do what Dana does...

[FedortheCan]

Originally Posted by rivethead

A lot of people think I hate the UFC, which is just silly. But when dana and the Fertittas first came on the scene, I appreciated the hell out of them. But I've grown to believe the sport has outgrown him. I can't help but think Lorenzo could have handled the negotiations with Jones far better...even if Jones didn't take the fight, I don't think he would have thrown kerosene on the fire as dana did.
With recent rumors that Lyoto is now one more fight away from a rematch, I also don't think Machida should be "punished" by having to take another fight without a more viable LHW challenger to take his place. That's just impacting the integrity of the division out of spite. And I'm disappointed in the way Shogun's name is thrown out there as a viable opponent for 9/22 when he's medically suspended til 9/15, with no contact at all through this coming week. It's like information control to make as many fighters as possible look as bad as possible.

rh

Dude, well said. You took the words right out of my mouth, only said it better. Haha. But its a perfect way to put it, saying that the sport has outgrown Dana. When UFC was bought and they were trying to be more mainstream, I thought Dana was a brash, edgy promotor that was good for the sport and of course, UFC. Fast forward years later, the sport and business has definitely evolved and outgrown him. I dont think his business practices are good for the UFC and leave a bad taste in the fans mouths.

Not only with how he treated Jones, but how he bitched and whined when Fedor didnt sign talking smack about him after the fact and then also with Kimbo Slice. He talked so much junk about Kimbo, but as soon as UFC signed him for Ultimate Fighter, oh the change of tune Dana had. Truth be told, I have no clue why Dana still holds the position he does and have countless times thought how much better Lorenzo could have handled a situation himself. If Dana cant realize that punishing a fighter like Machida, who wants more time to prepare for a rematch against Jones and Shogun who was offered a fight while still medically suspended, and yet Dana still bitches about these guys publicly.... time for Dana to go. Simple as that

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by rivethead

...aren't you the same narcotic-addled mope who was implying that Henderson had absolutely no chance against Jones? Do you see the hypocrisy in making those statements yesterday, and whining about people saying sonnen should never have been offered the LHW title shot, but would have been an easy win for Jones?
Ah. Perhaps fighters need to consider actually fighting in their for-reals-physical weight classes so they don't need to cut 25lbs in that last week. That would be revolutionary.


If Jones has the right to be arrogant, wouldn't fans have the same right to think he's an ass? Wouldn't you have the same right to think that those fans are misguided?

Isn't that how freedom of choice works?

rh

I do think Jones would beat both Chael and Henderson. However at the sametime I don't think Chael would be a push over. I don't see Chael and Henderson having the same fighting style. To me Hendeo is just another version of Rampage. He won't be bringing anything to the table that Jones hasn't dealt with before. Chael's style however is more reckless and oddly enough could present some issues for Jones.

It should be noted also that I do believe Chael has the capability to take Jones down and we have never really seen him fight off his back.

To me Hendo is a push over and I would rather see him fighting Machida. Sonnen hasn't done anything to deserve a shot at the title but it is what it is if noone else wants to fight Jones on short notice. There is no point in complaining about it.