MMA News Forums » MMA Forums » General MMA Forum

[Malevolence]

Originally Posted by VimyRidge

MMA math doesn't always add up but Bisping versus Hamill and Munoz versus Hamill....we all know how those 2 fights went, one was close, the other was not.

Wasn't really applying mma math,I can't think about maths as it makes my brain hurt,I just think Munoz at MW handles Bisping & besides,Hamill is quite a big LHW,Munoz was not & before you say "yeah but Bisping beat Hamill at LHW" no,no he didn't....we all know the story there.

[dbader08]

lol half of Bisping's opponent have been hand fed to him, Munoz is a tougher opponent than any of the opponents Bisping has recently beat so Bisping can think whatever he wants but Weidman will smash him if/when they fight.

[Uvall]

I just can't wait to see Stann pull a Dan on Bisping.

[Sniggles]

Bisping just trying to talk himself into a fight with Weidman. Elementary, my dear Watson.

[DanC]

As expected, there's the usual amount of Bisping-slating going on, but hey it's all good, we all know there's a very clear difference in opinion going on on this board when it comes to Bisping (see: http://www.mmanews.com/forums/genera...antwell-2.html). We all know where I sit, I am a fan of Bisping, but at the same time, I'll try to be fair.

I see how Weidman can be seen as "worthy" of a title shot; he's young, trains with a former champ, he's marketable, he's been beating guys he shouldn't have beat, recently scored a highlight-reel KO over a dangerous and dominant wrestler, and all the while does it with an undefeated record. I get that he's exciting to watch, and many people think he has all the right kinds of tools to beat Silva (which of course is a huge boost to his campaign for a title shot in itself). BUT.....

We need to think of this long-term. Weidman's five-years younger than Bisping, he's 28, is much less experienced, and doesn't have anywhere near as big a "name" as Bisping does. Most mainstream fans don't know Weidman... yet. Bisping is 12-4 in the UFC, won 4 fights in a row before losing in a fight that the UFC are effectively treating as a victory.

If we look at the amount of work put in by each guy so far in their career to get to their respective positions in the sport, Bisping has worked for it for much longer, looked impressive for the most part even in his losses (save the Hendo fight, because he just made too many fundamental errors), and is at the right point in his career, he's 33-years old and is arguably in his prime. As he said in the extended preview of his fight with Stann, something along the lines of "If I retire without fighting for the title, then it's been a wasted career".

To me it makes much more sense to give Bisping a title shot if he gets past Stann in impressive fashion, and build Weidman up with another fight, let him get some good press in, get his name out there and up there, then give him a title shot when people really know who he is, and what he's about.

At the same time, it does make sense for the UFC to say that winner of Bisping/Stann fights the winner of Weidman/Boetsch for the number-one contender status, and with both Bisping and Weidman facing really tough opposition in Boetsch and Stann, who knows how it will all play out?

[sonofsteven]

Weidman currently has the best case to fight Silva out of any other MW. Could he be credentialed better? Of course but other than Silva all the MWs just kinda keep beating each other and not putting forth a clearer contender than Chris. IMO that will all change when Chris somps Timmay and Bisping decisions Stann. Oh but then AS will NEED to take some more time off or fight another low ranked LHW rather than fight a strong contender in his own div.

[joeodd2]

Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher

Bisping: Weidman undeserving of No. 1 status after beating 'an out-of-shape fat man'

Bisping: Weidman undeserving of No. 1 status after beating 'an out-of-shape fat man' | MMAjunkie.com

[grambino]

Originally Posted by DanC

As expected, there's the usual amount of Bisping-slating going on, but hey it's all good, we all know there's a very clear difference in opinion going on on this board when it comes to Bisping (see: http://www.mmanews.com/forums/genera...antwell-2.html). We all know where I sit, I am a fan of Bisping, but at the same time, I'll try to be fair.

I see how Weidman can be seen as "worthy" of a title shot; he's young, trains with a former champ, he's marketable, he's been beating guys he shouldn't have beat, recently scored a highlight-reel KO over a dangerous and dominant wrestler, and all the while does it with an undefeated record. I get that he's exciting to watch, and many people think he has all the right kinds of tools to beat Silva (which of course is a huge boost to his campaign for a title shot in itself). BUT.....

We need to think of this long-term. Weidman's five-years younger than Bisping, he's 28, is much less experienced, and doesn't have anywhere near as big a "name" as Bisping does. Most mainstream fans don't know Weidman... yet. Bisping is 12-4 in the UFC, won 4 fights in a row before losing in a fight that the UFC are effectively treating as a victory.

If we look at the amount of work put in by each guy so far in their career to get to their respective positions in the sport, Bisping has worked for it for much longer, looked impressive for the most part even in his losses (save the Hendo fight, because he just made too many fundamental errors), and is at the right point in his career, he's 33-years old and is arguably in his prime. As he said in the extended preview of his fight with Stann, something along the lines of "If I retire without fighting for the title, then it's been a wasted career".

To me it makes much more sense to give Bisping a title shot if he gets past Stann in impressive fashion, and build Weidman up with another fight, let him get some good press in, get his name out there and up there, then give him a title shot when people really know who he is, and what he's about.

At the same time, it does make sense for the UFC to say that winner of Bisping/Stann fights the winner of Weidman/Boetsch for the number-one contender status, and with both Bisping and Weidman facing really tough opposition in Boetsch and Stann, who knows how it will all play out?

So you're saying the title shot shouldn't be based on merit? No one knew who Silva was when he got the shot except for Pride fans. He didn't do squat to earn the shot. Wiedman has done more and is next in line.

The idea that guys need to do more than win fights to move up is nuts. There isn't anyone Wiedman can beat other than Silva to get notoriety. Giving Bisping a title shot would be a farce even if he beats Stann. Giving Bisping a title shot is disrespectful to every fighter and fan alike.

Current champions should not get to determine when a challenger has done enough to earn their shot. Wins and losses makes it a pretty simple formula. Earn it in the ring and not in the court of public opinion. I'm tired of fighters avoiding dangerous fights because the proposed opponent doesn't have enough name value. Silva should be careful throwing big rocks in his glass house.

[lwbrewer]

Originally Posted by grambino

So you're saying the title shot shouldn't be based on merit? No one knew who Silva was when he got the shot except for Pride fans. He didn't do squat to earn the shot. Wiedman has done more and is next in line.

The idea that guys need to do more than win fights to move up is nuts. There isn't anyone Wiedman can beat other than Silva to get notoriety. Giving Bisping a title shot would be a farce even if he beats Stann. Giving Bisping a title shot is disrespectful to every fighter and fan alike.

Current champions should not get to determine when a challenger has done enough to earn their shot. Wins and losses makes it a pretty simple formula. Earn it in the ring and not in the court of public opinion. I'm tired of fighters avoiding dangerous fights because the proposed opponent doesn't have enough name value. Silva should be careful throwing big rocks in his glass house.

You got a lot of truth there, but note highlighted section. Does the UFC use this formula excluding injury fill ins. No it is somewhat how your fight goes and your public opinion/ = $$$$ decides a lot of title fights. The past has showen the UFC hype machine get behind certain fighters when they wouldn't be next in line if there was structure to getting a title shot.

No real like for Bisping the person, but he can sell fights I'll give him that. If Wiedman is going to get a shot he needs the UFC hype machine to start yesterday.

[W.Silva>C.Norris]

Originally Posted by lwbrewer

You got a lot of truth there, but note highlighted section. Does the UFC use this formula excluding injury fill ins. No it is somewhat how your fight goes and your public opinion/ = $$$$ decides a lot of title fights. The past has showen the UFC hype machine get behind certain fighters when they wouldn't be next in line if there was structure to getting a title shot.

No real like for Bisping the person, but he can sell fights I'll give him that. If Wiedman is going to get a shot he needs the UFC hype machine to start yesterday.

Injury fill ins go to whoever is willing to step up and make it happen. I have _no_ problem with an "undeserving" fighter filling in to fight a champion in a situation like the henderson/coward one. If chael had gotten hurt before the silva rematch, and they called bisping to fill in, cool. The show must go on, and men step up to make it happen.

As far as earning a title fight, hype has nothing to do with it. If we ever want MMA to be considered a "real sport", that kinda crap needs to go away, yesterday. Do the yankees get a pass into the playoffs because they have the most stars under one roof? Do the Leafs get a pass because they sell out every game years before they play? Not even close. Hell, even Jordan had to play his way into his championships, and you wont find a better athlete in the 20th century(flame away, the man was a marvel to watch).

Also, Ive had about my fill of who the champions WANT to fight. GSP and Diaz (when carlos was already in the challenger spot), JDS and Overeem(stepping over cain), Silva (soares)talking about who deserves what, and that other one.. whatever his name is.. the guy who gets greg jackson to check under his bed for sonnen before the lights get turned out, these people need to buck up, and fight the fights put before them. How many times did champions like Liddell, Couture, BJ, Hughes, Rich, or Ortiz ever cry or complain about what a challenger deserved, or didnt.. If you want to wear a belt, defend your title when you're called upon to. Otherwise, vacate your belt, and take all the interesting fights you want.