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[Mac]

Goose meet gander.

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

I think it depends on a few things.

Their ranking in the division, if they hold a title or not, are they retiring or not.

Plenty of factors.

The only time someone retiring should get a say in who they fight is when it's an all time great and as long as it's not against a world champion or top 2 or 3 contender. Sorry but who the fuck is Bonnar to turn down any fight? What the fuck has he done except come in second place on a reality show?

Should the champion of a division pick and choose fights? No. Fight the #1 contender.

I agree. The champion should never have to fight a guy who isn't a contender in his weight class.

Originally Posted by AnchorPunch

As long as you're not the champ and you're not demanding title contention, who cares if you pick and choose? I think that's the argument for guys like Bonnar who are near retirement and not going for gold anymore.

In that position, they can't mess up the belt or other challengers. They only help or hurt their own reputation and cash flow. Fine with me.

I can almost agree with this except Bonnar has stated he wants a top guy which does mess with contendership. And him fighting the champ while not his fault, another completely stupid mistke by the UFC, can most definitely mess with the title scene. I don't care if it is at a different weight class, if he gets lucky and wins or Silva gets badly injured figting this guy the UFC will be fucked.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Has nothing to do with how he is not an established name as of yet?

It is about risk versus reward.

I get the risk/reward aspect, however I don't really think Bonnar has been in the catbird position these past few years to be too choosy. Not too long ago, Bonnar was on a three fight skid and was in "must win" territory. I think this had a helluva lot less to do with Twitter followers and more to do with him not wanting to get his block caved in.

Also, how is Glover's name going to be an established name if he just tears through mid-card fighters, despite already being an elite-caliber fighter? Lombard crushed only cans for years and was pushed right to the top among MWs despite not having a mainstream "established" name to a lesser degree, but for some reason no LHWs of relevance are stepping up to Glover?

Maldonado is taking the Glover fight because HE wants to make a name for himself and it is a really good matchup for him. Aside from Rashad, Machida and Jones, I don't see any LHW in the UFC who has the chops to go with Glover. Ripping off Maldonado's head is going to do nothing to advance his ranking and then everyone will be saying how he's still not a big name fighter.

IMO, it is an easy excuse to duck him.

[disposableassassin]

Bonnar said he was basically retired. They tried to get him to come out of retirement to fight glover. He said nah. They said how about Anderson. He said ok. I fail to see how this is like jones not taking a fight with chael.

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

I get the risk/reward aspect, however I don't really think Bonnar has been in the catbird position these past few years to be too choosy. Not too long ago, Bonnar was on a three fight skid and was in "must win" territory. I think this had a helluva lot less to do with Twitter followers and more to do with him not wanting to get his block caved in.

If Bonnar was afraid of getting his block caved in why would he take a fight with Anderson silva?

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Originally Posted by disposableassassin

If Bonnar was afraid of getting his block caved in why would he take a fight with Anderson silva?

For the same reason guys would take a fight against Fedor, because Anderson is arguably the biggest fighter on the planet and it's the chance of a lifetime. It's at 205, the payday is probably sweet and Bonnar wants to take his swing at beating a guy who's on an incredible run.

Nobody expects him to win, he's got nothing really to lose.

[Mac]

Originally Posted by disposableassassin

If Bonnar was afraid of getting his block caved in why would he take a fight with Anderson silva?

Getting your block knocked off by Silva is expected, getting your block knocked off by Glover just helps a fighter that used to be in Bonnar's position. The up and coming guy looking to make a name for himself, except no one was ever scared of Bonnar.

If Bonnar is on his way out, why does he care about building his brand in the UFC? What is so wrong with taking on an up-n-comer? Why help the company that made you into a somewhat known celebrity? I guess getting finished by Silva is better for your image than taking a fight you may be able to win, probably not but it's a better chance than beating Silva.

I guess this is his only shot at fighting a champion.

[disposableassassin]

Ok I get it. I've just never seen Bonnar as a guy that's afraid of getting his ass kicked. He is looking for one last hurrah against a top guy. You wouldn't get fedor out of retirement to fight an up and comer. I bet he would take a huge fight though. Also Bonnar is helping the UFC he is taking a main event slot on a card with no main event.

[Y2JUBAE]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

For the same reason guys would take a fight against Fedor, because Anderson is arguably the biggest fighter on the planet and it's the chance of a lifetime. It's at 205, the payday is probably sweet and Bonnar wants to take his swing at beating a guy who's on an incredible run.

Nobody expects him to win, he's got nothing really to lose.

Yep, More money, a chance to fight the greatest, getting KO'ed anyway probably. It's like the Joker said "if your gonna go, go with a smile!"

I have no problem with this fight at all. I would have loved to see Anderson fight Vera instead, but nothing is wrong with Bonnar, it should be an entertaining fight for as long as Anderson allows him to remain conscious.

[Dr. MMA]

All I want to know is if Bonnar beats Silva, will he drop down to 185 to challenge him for the belt in a rematch?!

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Originally Posted by disposableassassin

Ok I get it. I've just never seen Bonnar as a guy that's afraid of getting his ass kicked. He is looking for one last hurrah against a top guy. You wouldn't get fedor out of retirement to fight an up and comer. I bet he would take a huge fight though. Also Bonnar is helping the UFC he is taking a main event slot on a card with no main event.

Yeah, but when was the last time Bonnar headlined a PPV? When was he even last in contention or heck, even fought a top guy?

The UFC is giving him the Anderson fight because he's about as much of a caliberated risk they want to take giving Anderson a 205er. He's not a wrestler(like say, Hamill, Davis or Bader) and isn't top ranked, he's not a risk to Anderson and Anderson is the PPV draw here. I liken this to the Irvin fight, Bonnar's just the guy across from Anderson here.

I don't think Bonnar's really steeped in "retirement", as much as he was resigned to his place in the company, as he was stumping HARD for a TUF season with Forrest.

I don't think Fedor coming out of retirement is the same as a glorified gatekeeper like Bonnar and I don't see this as him doing the UFC a favour as much as it is them finding a lamb to lead to the slaughter, who'll be paid handsomely for his time, which is on a much brighter, bigger stage than he's used to as of late.

This is Bonnar's swansong, but he ducked Glover just like Rampage, Shogun, Jimmo etc IMO.

[disposableassassin]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

Yeah, but when was the last time Bonnar headlined a PPV? When was he even last in contention or heck, even fought a top guy?

The UFC is giving him the Anderson fight because he's about as much of a caliberated risk they want to take giving Anderson a 205er. He's not a wrestler(like say, Hamill, Davis or Bader) and isn't top ranked, he's not a risk to Anderson and Anderson is the PPV draw here. I liken this to the Irvin fight, Bonnar's just the guy across from Anderson here.

I don't think Bonnar's really steeped in "retirement", as much as he was resigned to his place in the company, as he was stumping HARD for a TUF season with Forrest.

I don't think Fedor coming out of retirement is the same as a glorified gatekeeper like Bonnar and I don't see this as him doing the UFC a favour as much as it is them finding a lamb to lead to the slaughter, who'll be paid handsomely for his time, which is on a much brighter, bigger stage than he's used to as of late.

This is Bonnar's swansong, but he ducked Glover just like Rampage, Shogun, Jimmo etc IMO.

While I don't doubt there was more to Bonnar's decision not to take a fight with glover. I just doubt he was afraid of him. Good thing for him though as the Anderson fight will offer a signifigantly higher payday and his one and only shot at a main event on ppv.

I don't think anybody is really afraid of glover, I think they are just more afraid of getting beat down by a guy most people have never heard of.