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[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Originally Posted by disposableassassin

I don't think anybody is really afraid of glover, I think they are just more afraid of getting beat down by a guy most people have never heard of.

Alright, maybe "afraid" isn't the appropriate term here. But they're definately ducking him. Shogun, Rampage, Jimmo and now Bonnar(that we know of) all have conveniently avoided getting into the cage with him.

[disposableassassin]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

Alright, maybe "afraid" isn't the appropriate term here. But they're definately ducking him. Shogun, Rampage, Jimmo and now Bonnar(that we know of) all have conveniently avoided getting into the cage with him.

That I can't argue.

Do you feel that if he had strong name value that people would be less reluctant to fight him? I'd like to think so. A lot less to lose getting your clock cleaned by a big name fighter as opposed to a guy who's virtually unknown. If you're on the cusp of contendership losing to another contender does a lot less damage to your standing.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Originally Posted by disposableassassin

That I can't argue.

Do you feel that if he had strong name value that people would be less reluctant to fight him? I'd like to think so. A lot less to lose getting your clock cleaned by a big name fighter as opposed to a guy who's virtually unknown. If you're on the cusp of contendership losing to another contender does a lot less damage to your standing.

I have no doubt that fighters are tenative to take Glover because of his unknown name value, however I think Glover's a far advanced and developed talent than say a Phil Davis or Goose were, when they first debuted with the company and as such, shouldn't have to work his way up the ladder as slowly. Glover should've been in the UFC for years and that's what I personally have an issue with. Alot of fighters that are on the same level as him, but his name is what's keeping them from taking him on? If he was a bigger name, I don't think they'd have a problem fighting him because of title contention, but then again, he matches up so well against so many top LHWs, who knows....

All that said, I think Glover's about to start to make a name for himself with the help of ZUFFA and IMO, he's going to cut a swathe through alot of top LHWs, with Dana and Joe Silva basically forcing top guys to take him on.

I've been a huge Glover fan for years and he's only getting better, just hitting his prime. People bitch about his record and what not, but he's the real deal.

[disposableassassin]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

I have no doubt that fighters are tenative to take Glover because of his unknown name value, however I think Glover's a far advanced and developed talent than say a Phil Davis or Goose were, when they first debuted with the company and as such, shouldn't have to work his way up the ladder as slowly. Glover should've been in the UFC for years and that's what I personally have an issue with. Alot of fighters that are on the same level as him, but his name is what's keeping them from taking him on? If he was a bigger name, I don't think they'd have a problem fighting him because of title contention, but then again, he matches up so well against so many top LHWs, who knows....

All that said, I think Glover's about to start to make a name for himself with the help of ZUFFA and IMO, he's going to cut a swathe through alot of top LHWs, with Dana and Joe Silva basically forcing top guys to take him on.

I've been a huge Glover fan for years and he's only getting better, just hitting his prime. People bitch about his record and what not, but he's the real deal.

I have no complaints towards glover myself. Only compliments. I believe in his skill set and I think he will go far. I wish he had gotten to fight page.

[The Donosaur]

Mac do you really not get why a ultra tough aging fighter would want to see if he can hang with arguably the best fighter on the planet?

It probably has alot more to do with leaving a legacy, and knowing where he stands than twitter followers and building a brand.

To anyone who is saying that Bonnar is asking for to much by wanting Silva: What the fuck is wrong with you? THE MAN GOT WHAT HE WANTED. If I ask for a million dollars and somebody gives it to me, then apparently I wasn't asking for to much.

Chris Weidman deserves to be fighting Anderson Silva, but it is not Bonnars fault. It is the matchmakers fault that Anderson isn't fighting the number one contender, and it is Andersons fault if he turned down the number one contender. Bonnar is just taking advantage of an opportunity.

To the person who said something along the lines of "Bonnar should be helping the company that made him by fighting Glover": Bullshit! Bonnar is exciting, and he belongs at the highest level. He has always put on exciting fight for the UFC, and he hasn't gotten very many big opportunities unlike Forrest. He doesn't owe the UFC a damn thing.

I realize why some people are upset about this. When there was talk of a Silva-Diaz fight, I was pissed off too. I realized that it wasn't Diaz's fault though.

Mac, I think you are being fairly ridiculous on this thread.

[Mac]

So the UFC has the #1 middleweight in the world and arguably one of the best pound for pound fighters on the planet fighting a retiring LHW who is not even in the top 15 and I'm being ridiculous? Bonnar says he is picking his fights based on Twitter followers and I'm being ridiculous?

There was a time when the company would say, here's your opponent and that would be that. Now all these guys want to hand pick their fights. Pardon me if I think that is ridiculous.

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei

Also, how is Glover's name going to be an established name if he just tears through mid-card fighters, despite already being an elite-caliber fighter? Lombard crushed only cans for years and was pushed right to the top among MWs despite not having a mainstream "established" name to a lesser degree, but for some reason no LHWs of relevance are stepping up to Glover?

I smell some bias.

That's how every other fighter comes up. The UFC starts fighters on the undercard then raises them higher in the main card if they are successful. Lombard was a champion in another organization, that's why he was pushed so hard. Glover needs to build his brand to be given higher ranked fighters. You may not agree, but I still think Glover is a rank 15 fighter.

Originally Posted by Mac

So the UFC has the #1 middleweight in the world and arguably one of the best pound for pound fighters on the planet fighting a retiring LHW who is not even in the top 15 and I'm being ridiculous? Bonnar says he is picking his fights based on Twitter followers and I'm being ridiculous?

There was a time when the company would say, here's your opponent and that would be that. Now all these guys want to hand pick their fights. Pardon me if I think that is ridiculous.

Should NHL or NFL players be able to pick their own teams they get traded to, if it is in their contract?

Originally Posted by disposableassassin

I have no complaints towards glover myself. Only compliments. I believe in his skill set and I think he will go far. I wish he had gotten to fight page.

As do I!

[Mac]

The NFL just tweeted that if the 49ers make the Super Bowl they are going to be replaced by the Packers because Alex Smith is not as marketable as Aaron Rodgers.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by Mac

The NFL just tweeted that if the 49ers make the Super Bowl they are going to be replaced by the Packers because Alex Smith is not as marketable as Aaron Rodgers.

I think you are making that up, but either way would you blame the packers for accepting?

[AnchorPunch]

Originally Posted by Mac

So the UFC has the #1 middleweight in the world and arguably one of the best pound for pound fighters on the planet fighting a retiring LHW who is not even in the top 15 and I'm being ridiculous? Bonnar says he is picking his fights based on Twitter followers and I'm being ridiculous?

There was a time when the company would say, here's your opponent and that would be that. Now all these guys want to hand pick their fights. Pardon me if I think that is ridiculous.

If nothing else, I don't take the titles as seriously as before. Silva's a great fighter, but I know longer really care that he has the belt and I'm starting to think that the belt is a distant second to "big" fights.

I'm with you, the UFC feels like a circus of fun fights, not a hierarchy of competitors.