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[TN94z]

Originally Posted by Supe

I don't have issue with much of what you said...but it seems silly to me bring up Jones refusing to fight someone in the middle of defending someone refusing to fight Jones. maybe it's just me but seems odd.

I can see that. I was just using that as an example of why the pay day might not be as much...and to throw a jab out at Jones. But it's not like Anderson had a title fight opponent get hurt and Jones stepped up and Anderson refused.

But I see what you are saying.

Originally Posted by KevoOnTheRadio

It doesn't hurt his legacy, but it does nothing for it either. His legacy at MW is secure, he's the best of all time. But if he wants to be the best P4P fighter ever, he needs to fight elite LHWs (Evans, Shogun, Bones, etc.).

True.

[TheKidInside]

That is officially why Fedor = GOAT, Anderson = UFC hype machine. And, before people cry and get all butthurt, I like Anderson but you simply cannot be the GOAT and be afraid to fight a man because of your "legacy" which includes doing the running man against Leites, Cote, Maia, and Sonnen is B-level fighter AT BEST.

[Cat--Smasher]

Originally Posted by TN94z

I just think it's like every other fighter on a team of fighters that refuses to put themselves in a situation where they might have to fight a teammate. If Jones was in MW, do you think Anderson would avoid him then?

Fighters on a team avoiding fighting other team mates is not what Anderson is or has been saying. Anderson has always said it is the LHW Black House guys opportunity to take the belt from Jones. You have many team mates fighting in a single division who are still able to avoid fighting each other.

No I dont think Anderson would duck Jones, if Jones was in middle weight.. But then again, if Jones was at middle weight we would see the Cory Hill leg break 2.0.

I dont care if Anderson wants to go up to LHW or not really, I just find his justifications funny. Wants to stick at 185 but calls out a WW. Willing to fight and destroy mid to lower level LHWs but is unwilling to fight his BFF. Anderson does not want to fight at 205 but felt the need to do so when asked by the UFC, so would he have turned down Jones at 151? I think he kinda did...

Anyways, Anderson is the shit, he does not need to prove himself against Jones, unless he wants to prove he is a god that is...

[scottsec]

He wants to stay in his division and defend his belt?.....cool......but dont fight GSP then....

[rivethead]

I would love to see a reporter ask him if he'd like to face Jones if Jon wasn't the LHW champion. Anderson deftly deflects anything by saying he doesn't want to step into his teammate's spot, and yes, he's gone on record by saying "no Brazilian" can beat Jones. But I'd love to see someone actually not throw out softball questions and have it look more like this:

Would you like to face Jones if he wasn't UFC champion, and it didn't interfere with your teammate's progress toward a belt?

Why, or why not?

How do you think you match up with Jones, in terms of skill set?

How would you respond if dana told you that you had to fight Jones?

What role do you think size would play in a bout like that, if you had to take it?

I dunno...to me, the answers to all of those questions are much more interesting than the PC ones we've already heard before.

Originally Posted by TN94z

I just think it's like every other fighter on a team of fighters that refuses to put themselves in a situation where they might have to fight a teammate. If Jones was in MW, do you think Anderson would avoid him then?

I know soares would. Absolutely, 100% certain on that tip.

And if the situation were reversed to that a MW Jones was offered as a late-replacement to face Anderson in the same way that he got his shot against Shogun, you'd have roaddog saying "but, but Anderson has more wins than Jones has fights..."

Because that's exactly the type of thing that determines whether someone can be successful, amirite?

Originally Posted by NLRepublic

This is the only issue I have with it all. He keeps talking about staying in his own weight class, and that's what got him where he is today etc etc, yet he over and over calls for a WW to come up to his division to fight him, or fight at a catch weight (either way, same principal, as it is a smaller guy coming up to fight him).

for the record, it's not just "a" welterweight, as in one, single welterweight. He's expressed interest in Nick Diaz as well.

rh

[TheKidInside]

As usual, agreed with RH. If Jones was a MW, Soares would seek to avoid that fight 100,000%

[TN94z]

Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher

Fighters on a team avoiding fighting other team mates is not what Anderson is or has been saying. Anderson has always said it is the LHW Black House guys opportunity to take the belt from Jones. You have many team mates fighting in a single division who are still able to avoid fighting each other.

No I dont think Anderson would duck Jones, if Jones was in middle weight.. But then again, if Jones was at middle weight we would see the Cory Hill leg break 2.0.

I dont care if Anderson wants to go up to LHW or not really, I just find his justifications funny. Wants to stick at 185 but calls out a WW. Willing to fight and destroy mid to lower level LHWs but is unwilling to fight his BFF. Anderson does not want to fight at 205 but felt the need to do so when asked by the UFC, so would he have turned down Jones at 151? I think he kinda did...

Anyways, Anderson is the shit, he does not need to prove himself against Jones, unless he wants to prove he is a god that is...

I didn't mean that it was his "teammates", I was just using that as example. Not fighting teammates, BFF, etc....are all the same thing IMO. And I'm not saying that I believe in that either. I personally think the not fighting teammates thing is stupid.

I am giving Anderson some credit here....GSP has more money, more P4P notoriety, bigger fan base, etc...than Jones. He is a smaller fighter (weight division wise) but it's a more profitable fight for Anderson. He's not calling out the belt or the division, just GSP. Many fighters do things they don't want to because the UFC asked them to....except Jones that is. From my understanding about UFC 151...Anderson stepped up to save but Dana said it was too late. He wasn't asked to fight Jones, so to say he turned him down is not accurate, right?

Originally Posted by rivethead

I know soares would. Absolutely, 100% certain on that tip.


rh

Soares..I can't stand even think about that idiot!! By far the worse decision Anderson has ever made.....

[rob_bills]

Anderson has done all he needs to do for his p4p legacy. I highly doubt an undefeated (in the UFC) grown man who has (with exception of chael) cruised through his opponents is afraid of anyone to be honest.

What he says makes sense, he wants to keep the 185 belt and defend that. What's so difficult to understand about that?

Sure the GSP fight is being tossed around, GSP is a more liked, bigger name, than Jon Jones. Jon Jones is new news, While Silva and GSP were tearing up their divisions Jones probably wasnt even watching mma haha.

I personally don't think Silva cares much about what me, or anyone else on an internet forum, has to say about his p4p legacy.

[lwbrewer]

Originally Posted by scottsec

He wants to stay in his division and defend his belt?.....cool......but dont fight GSP then....

Does he truely just want to defend his belt? If so why pass up the Wiedman fight due to naging injury than take on Bonnar in less time at LHW. I see it as a $$$ seeker only. Adding a title defense over Bonnar which adds to a legency, I don't see Bonnar adding anything. Jones fight would be high dollar but see Soare's worried about a loss

[joeodd2]

Originally Posted by KevoOnTheRadio

It doesn't hurt his legacy, but it does nothing for it either. His legacy at MW is secure, he's the best of all time. But if he wants to be the best P4P fighter ever, he needs to fight elite LHWs (Evans, Shogun, Bones, etc.).

Maybe he doesn't care about the P4P title. Plenty of people will always argue about that title no matter what a fighter does. So why worry about it? When he retires Dana White will declare him the Greatest Mixed Martial Artist to ever live, hell Fedor might even agree with Dana! After that millions of UFC Zombies will believe it as well. In my opinion Anderson Silva could beat Jones and Fedor, and probably make it look easy in one of those fights.....the fighters who are in the mix for P4P don't care about being considered the P4P best fighter, they just continue to fight and win.