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[rivethead]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

The reality of the situation is that neither party owes eachother jack shit. Page got pimped by masta and made them a lot of $ and in return he got broke off.

He's done and I mean with MMA (his demeanor and recent behavoir speaks volumes)

Yeah...there is this thing called a contract. You might want to ask someone to explain the concept to you. The reality is, rampage owes the UFC far more than they owe him. He hasn't had a star quality performance in 4 years, but he's been making star-quality money for phoning it in.

It doesn't matter how much money zuffa makes off of him once the contract is signed. He agreed to do x amount of work for y amount of money. He's getting the money, regardless of his shite performances...but he still owes the work.

Most importantly, he owes them one more fight, regardless of whether he wants to put out the most-un-funny videos of all time in an effort to get fired so he can phone it in for Bellator and the WWE.

This isn't even remotely connected to legitimate slavery issues, and pretending that it is does a disservice to actual, real-world-exploitation that is going on right now, all over the globe.

rh

[Luc1an]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

The reality of the situation is that neither party owes eachother jack shit. Page got pimped by masta and made them a lot of $ and in return he got broke off.

He's done and I mean with MMA (his demeanor and recent behavoir speaks volumes)

uhm i believe its pronounced "massuh" =)

[disposableassassin]

Originally Posted by rivethead

That's so mainstream.

I'm only going to root for guys who do lose, but look so good in doing it that they move up in rankings.

But once they actually win, I'm kicking them to the curb.

rh

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Good idea. So we should start the 'insert name here' bandwagon. Who is it gonna be?

Joey Beltran?

Alessio sakara.......


Bazinga

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Yeah...there is this thing called a contract. You might want to ask someone to explain the concept to you. The reality is, rampage owes the UFC far more than they owe him. He hasn't had a star quality performance in 4 years, but he's been making star-quality money for phoning it in.

It doesn't matter how much money zuffa makes off of him once the contract is signed. He agreed to do x amount of work for y amount of money. He's getting the money, regardless of his shite performances...but he still owes the work.

Most importantly, he owes them one more fight, regardless of whether he wants to put out the most-un-funny videos of all time in an effort to get fired so he can phone it in for Bellator and the WWE.

This isn't even remotely connected to legitimate slavery issues, and pretending that it is does a disservice to actual, real-world-exploitation that is going on right now, all over the globe.

rh

Yes, the UFC has done a lot for him... But too often dont get it confused with a charity... Why did the UFC do all of that for him...

If they are so fed up with him, why not cut him, like he has been asking for... They dont want him to "fulfill his contract" to pay him more money... they want to make more money off of him... Thats how it works. There are not too many draws in the UFC right now, they are slowly losing some good ones to retirement as well... There is a reason he gets paid as much as he does in the first place...

I dont understand half the shit Rampage does do... but he had a legitimate gripe with the UFC for the Japan show... Dana always flapping his gums about fights stepping up and not being selfish...

Rampage had a bad knee injury but chose to fight, for the fans and to not screw over the UFC... He even talked about it with Dana... Who then publicly lied about the situation later...

Rampage still had 20% of his purse taken away even though he told them about his injury and that he might not make weight... He did them a solid by still fighting... yet they didnt compensate him for it...

Im still not sure why he even got part of his purse taken away as it wasnt within the governing body of a US AC... Not sure on how that works over in Japan...

Rampage hasnt looked great in a while, but losing to Jon Jones and to a top10ish fighter in Bader with a blown knee is nothing to be sorry about.

Originally Posted by roaddawg

The reality of the situation is that neither party owes eachother jack shit. Page got pimped by masta and made them a lot of $ and in return he got broke off.

He's done and I mean with MMA (his demeanor and recent behavoir speaks volumes)

Well he could go get pimped out by another MMA organization like Bellator, but that isnt always a bad thing, especially when your getting paid what he does....

I wish him the best, but he has no talent outside of fighting... His acting is horrible and his other aspirations seem too far fetched...

He will one day wake up when he is in his 40s and be pissed at himself for blowing away his last fighting days, should he choose to retire like he says.

[roaddawg]

I really hope he finds something that hes interested in and does well whether its comedy, boxing, this so called rapping hes working on. I just want the man to succeed and be happy and to his haters fuck em.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

I really hope he finds something that hes interested in and does well whether its comedy, boxing, this so called rapping hes working on. I just want the man to succeed and be happy and to his haters fuck em.

Im not a hater as you can tell, but he would fail miserably in all of those... Maybe at best he could do some movies, where he mainly does physical acting...

He has incredible gifts for fighting... Why would he want to leave

He needs to go to a legit MMA camp that tells him what to do... Imagine if he went to AKA, Blackhouse, etc... He needs better 1 on 1 training and top level partners to spar with... Not hire clowns who can barley hold mits and do whatever he says, and take his money...

[Sniggles]

Work your way up Glover.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

I like Glover's style... He has solid boxing and good BJJ... His TDD is his only glaring hole imo.. Even though he does have the ability to get up quickly and has a good BJJ game...

Eastman got him down a couple of time... yes glover got right back up and reversed him the next time... but what would happen if he was fighting Jones? He would get his face fucked up...

Glover is a top10 HW in my book, that is high praise... but he is highly overrated by some of his fans... Similar to how Mousasi was/is.

Have him fight Phil Davis if he beats Prado... or if they can still get the rampage fight to happen.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

Yes, the UFC has done a lot for him... But too often dont get it confused with a charity... Why did the UFC do all of that for him...

Because they had a contract with him.

Do you not understand how that works? The UFC isn't going to say: We're going to take a risk promoting you, and we'll split the profits 50/50. No org is going to do that in professional sports.

They gave him a lucrative contract--one that he willingly signed--because they knew they could make money. They make money, he makes money. Only at some point, he decided he wanted more money. And the contract wouldn't let him. So he's been pouting, ever since. Even though he got to go and make that crap A team movie.

The contract doesn't stop once he's tired of working for them. He took money based upon terms that he no longer wants to fulfill. If he wants to bail--to the point of releasing stupid videos in hopes of getting cut--he should feel free to give back money on the contract he failed to fulfil.

If they are so fed up with him, why not cut him, like he has been asking for... They dont want him to "fulfill his contract" to pay him more money... they want to make more money off of him... Thats how it works.

Yes. That's how it's always worked. That's how it worked before he signed the contract, it's not something that changed suddenly afterward. They shouldn't have to cut him without compensation just because he suddenly got lazy and disinterested.

There are not too many draws in the UFC right now, they are slowly losing some good ones to retirement as well... There is a reason he gets paid as much as he does in the first place...

No, there was a reason he gets paid as much as he does. Past tense. But that still doesn't excuse him from fulfilling the contract.

If I hire someone to build me a house and I give him x amount of dollars, should he get to whine and do a shitty job if he realizes I had more money than I thought, or that I can sell the house for more than he thought I could at the time we agreed? Of course not.

I dont understand half the shit Rampage does do... but he had a legitimate gripe with the UFC for the Japan show... Dana always flapping his gums about fights stepping up and not being selfish...

Rampage had a bad knee injury but chose to fight, for the fans and to not screw over the UFC... He even talked about it with Dana... Who then publicly lied about the situation later...

Rampage still had 20% of his purse taken away even though he told them about his injury and that he might not make weight... He did them a solid by still fighting... yet they didnt compensate him for it...

Please. He begged to be on that card, they did him a favor even putting him on it because he wanted to fight in Japan. He could have chosen not to get stupidly fat between fights. He could have chosen to fight at a realistic weight class that doesn't predicate him cutting drastic amounts of weight.

Zuffa doesn't make him do any of those things. They just say: promote this fight by doing this. Show up and put on a great performance. Do that, and we'll pay you X. And they do.

Im still not sure why he even got part of his purse taken away as it wasnt within the governing body of a US AC... Not sure on how that works over in Japan...

He should still have lost part of his purse, and it should have gone to Bader, who actually fulfilled his part of the contract.

Rampage hasnt looked great in a while, but losing to Jon Jones and to a top10ish fighter in Bader with a blown knee is nothing to be sorry about.

rampage not looking like a top 10 fighter in 4 years is plenty to be sorry about.

Well he could go get pimped out by another MMA organization like Bellator, but that isnt always a bad thing, especially when your getting paid what he does....

I wish him the best, but he has no talent outside of fighting... His acting is horrible and his other aspirations seem too far fetched...

I'm betting he wants a deal like Mo with WWE/Bellator tie-ins.

He will one day wake up when he is in his 40s and be pissed at himself for blowing away his last fighting days, should he choose to retire like he says.

I actually doubt that. I don't know him, so I'm just guessing, but I don't see him as someone who will ever take on that responsibility personally. I do see him blaming others for not making the most of his last fighting days...but it would surprise me if he ever thought anything but that it was someone else's fault. It certainly could happen that he owns it, or even part of it.

But I'd be surprised.

rh