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[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

However Machida's suspect chin, and Dan's huge power could lead to some problems...

Say wha?

When did Machida get a suspect chin?

When Shogun hit him behind the ear? Or?

[d-low]

I think its going to come down to Hendo's ability to go forward without taking that much damage. Shogun and even Rampage proved that you can go forward and have success with Machida. Just dont be a Ryan Bader and run full blast at an incoming punch.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Say wha?

When did Machida get a suspect chin?

When Shogun hit him behind the ear? Or?

Yeah, I don't think Machida's chin is suspect. His stand-up style gives very few looks for fighters to unload on and aside from Shogun, I don't think we've ever seen Machida "rocked", but I might be wrong, it's been a long time since I saw the Rashad fight.....

Hendo's never been KO'd but Machida has such evasive mystical, ninja striking and works such a nice periphery game(and I don't think Hendo will be able to push forward on Machida and will have good difficulty even getting hands on him) and as such, that I wouldn't be surprised if Machida finds a way, especially if this is a five rounder.

There's something in pro wrestling called a "bump card", which says as wrestlers age, what they can do in the ring and how much punishment their bodies can absorb will start to catch up to them, they'll start getting injured more and can't take the bumps they used to without major physical repercussions. I see similarities in MMA/Boxing regarding how many shots guys can take before their chins stop working as good. TBI and all that scary stuff aside, I don't know if Hendo will be able to have such a tremendous jaw and think we've seen alot of examples of fighters whose chins have deteriorated as they've aged. This is something I'm keeping in mind for this fight, especially after the LONG layoff coming back from an injury against a hyper-mobile Machida.

I think Machida's gonna ghost Hendo within four.

[dbader08]

Jones only started having success against Machida when he took him down and used his elbows to cut him up...

It's no coincidence that the guys who are at the top of their divisions usually have a very long reach.

I'm sure Jones would fight differently if he didn't have such a reach but to say having a long reach isn't a natural gift is obviously wrong.

PLUS, It seems like its a bit easier to cut weight when your taller. Look at Johnson who was cutting 60 pounds for a while. Look at Jones, Silva, pretty damn big for their divisions...

I definitely factor size and, to a much smaller extent, reach into how good I consider a striker.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by dbader08

Jones only started having success against Machida when he took him down and used his elbows to cut him up...

It's no coincidence that the guys who are at the top of their divisions usually have a very long reach.

I'm sure Jones would fight differently if he didn't have such a reach but to say having a long reach isn't a natural gift is obviously wrong.

PLUS, It seems like its a bit easier to cut weight when your taller. Look at Johnson who was cutting 60 pounds for a while. Look at Jones, Silva, pretty damn big for their divisions...

I definitely factor size and, to a much smaller extent, reach into how good I consider a striker.

Jones rocked him first with a punch, which stunned Machida enough for Jones to get in close and take him down. Then the elbow fucked him up, and once again on the feet Jones rocked/dropped Machida which led to a choke.

[travtera]

So does anybody have any confirmation when or if this fight is actually happening? 3 rounder or 5?

While I don't agree that Dan should be out of a title shot, I do like this fight. Especially if Jon Jones needs time off to heal. We're coming up on a year since Hendo fought last and if Jones isn't ready, perhaps he should take the Machida fight. On top of injuries and the frequency these UFC cards are coming at us I think we've got too many name brand fighters holding out for money fights. Guys like Rashad, Henderson, Condit need to fight more than once every 9-12 months. Their presence could really bolster some of these thinner booked pay per views we've been having.

As far as Machida coming out as the favorite, I believe Dan has hit the age (much like Couture did) where he'll probably be the underdog for the rest of the fights of his career, at least against the top tier fighters. A big reason he edged out Shogun was his ability to out brawl Shogun and steal the early rounds. Then he gassed. I can't see Machida getting caught up in that type of fight. A three round fight could be interesting but I see a five round fight going all Machida with Henderson fading after going balls out, out of the gates.

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

Jones rocked him first with a punch, which stunned Machida enough for Jones to get in close and take him down. Then the elbow fucked him up, and once again on the feet Jones rocked/dropped Machida which led to a choke.

Well I don't really think Machida was too rocked from any punch Jones landed before the first takedown...maybe a little bit...but I'd say Jones was more rocked from the shots Machida landed in the 1st.

A great job by Jones still, obviously...wish we coulda seen that one go a bit longer.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by dbader08

Well I don't really think Machida was too rocked from any punch Jones landed before the first takedown...maybe a little bit...but I'd say Jones was more rocked from the shots Machida landed in the 1st.

A great job by Jones still, obviously...wish we coulda seen that one go a bit longer.

Jones was never rocked though, he was knocked off balance due to being hit while throwing a kick and Machida's pressure made him back peddle. I actually just re-watched the fight, the shots that knocked Jones back were all when he was off balance. He definiately ate some hard body kicks though.http://www.ufc.com/media/ufc-140-jones-machida

[IrishX(aka bornbear)]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

Machida imo has the best striking in the LHW devision behind Jones; certainly better than Hendo and i see him absolutey picking him apart. That being said, I hope Im wrong, because I want to see Jones dismantle Hendo in a title fight.

It's going to suck for you to watch Hendo fck up both Machida and Jones huh?

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by IrishX(aka bornbear)

It's going to suck for you to watch Hendo fck up both Machida and Jones huh?

I'm not even a Machida fan really, I want Hendo to beat him. That being said, I guess we will see haha