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[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

So he talks about Bisping, and then he says Weidman is the next best choice. I'm pretty sure that is saying that Bisping is the best choice.

[BonesKnows]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

So he talks about Bisping, and then he says Weidman is the next best choice. I'm pretty sure that is saying that Bisping is the best choice.

i said "Now looking at that list, who really deserves a title shot? Bisping is on a 1 fight win streak and im sorry beating Brian Stann doesnt get you a title shot bisping...and the only reason it got chael a rematch is because of how well he did against AS the first time."

Im not the one saying Bisping deserves a title shot, people in the mma community say he should get one. Im disagreeing with them, but i understand how "im sorry beating brian stann doesnt get you a title shot bisping" can be misinterpreted for Bisping deserves the title shot.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE

Chael got the rematch. Guess what. Anderson was right! He destroyed him just like he would have destroyed Hendo and Nate. He destroyed Belfort. Playing matchmaker?

Yes, he's playing matchmaker.

If you look through all of my posts, I've never once said that Weidman will beat Anderson. If you go back at the time of Henderson getting shafted on his rematch, I wasn't saying that Henderson would beat him.

I want what I've always wanted. What I wanted for Fedor, and for Georges. I want the best to fight the best.

When Henderson and Marquardt didn't get their rematches, who did Anderson fight? Fucking Demian Maia, on a one-fight win streak. The matchup was a joke and the fight was actually worse. You cannot, with a straight face, tell me that a win over Demian Maia was a better option than a rematch with Henderson. You cannot tell me that the fight was more exciting than a rematch with Henderson would have been.

I can only speak for myself, but I'd have Silva winning just about every fight that he'd get under heavyweight--and even then, I'd favor him over a lot of HWs. I've never been someone to say Fighter X will destroy Anderson. But I want to see the best fight the best available.

A fighter winning one fight is great. It shows that he is the better man, on that specific night. But rematches forge that one night into something more. They're necessary, they've been an enormous part of combat sports.

What I would have loved to see is Anderson laughing any time he's matched up and saying "OK, bring it on." He probably would have beaten Henderson in a rematch. But not only will the world never know for sure, he refused the fight and took a matchup with a lesser fighter. That's the problem.

I'm a huge Weidman fan, but I'll be clear: Anderson will probably beat him. He's a clear and convincing favorite. But I want Anderson to face him because he's the biggest threat to Anderson right now under 205. Does that make sense?

I want to see Anderson fight guys I think he'll beat, simply because they're the best fights for him. I DO NOT want to see him squander his talent on vanity fights and cherry pick opponents that pose the least amount of threats.

I don't think he'll lose. But I want him to be the best that he can be.

And right now, he's not.

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

Normally I don't come right out, and say this, but you are an idiot. I would normally politely disagree, but just the fact that you have Bisping as the number one contender...come on man...

The way I read it, he had Bisping over Weidman, which is, indeed, colossally fucking stupid.

Originally Posted by BonesKnows

And normally i dont come right out and say people are idiots either...BUT you sir are and idiot.

he's and idiot, or an idiot? Funny how that works out sometimes.

But if you really have Bisping over Weidman or Boetsch, he's right. If that is, indeed the case, you are an idiot.

rh

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by BonesKnows

i said "Now looking at that list, who really deserves a title shot? Bisping is on a 1 fight win streak and im sorry beating Brian Stann doesnt get you a title shot bisping...and the only reason it got chael a rematch is because of how well he did against AS the first time."

Im not the one saying Bisping deserves a title shot, people in the mma community say he should get one. Im disagreeing with them, but i understand how "im sorry beating brian stann doesnt get you a title shot bisping" can be misinterpreted for Bisping deserves the title shot.

I completely agree that Bisping doesn't deserve a title shot, but Weidman isn't the next best choice after bisping. Weidman deserves a title shot. He is the number one contender. My problem with your post is that you had bisping at undeserving challenger number one, and Weidman as undeserving challenger number two. I'm fine with anyone thinking that Silva kicks Weidman's ass, but to say that Weidman hasn't earned a shot yet is insane. The division isn't cleared out until Silva beats every top contender. To say it's cleared out just because Anderson has beat most everyone isn't fair to the guys who he hasn't beaten. The champ fights the number one contender, that is how it works, and he hasn't beaten the number one contender.

[BonesKnows]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

I completely agree that Bisping doesn't deserve a title shot, but Weidman isn't the next best choice after bisping. Weidman deserves a title shot. He is the number one contender. My problem with your post is that you had bisping at undeserving challenger number one, and Weidman as undeserving challenger number two. I'm fine with anyone thinking that Silva kicks Weidman's ass, but to say that Weidman hasn't earned a shot yet is insane. The division isn't cleared out until Silva beats every top contender. To say it's cleared out just because Anderson has beat most everyone isn't fair to the guys who he hasn't beaten. The champ fights the number one contender, that is how it works.

Its been reported over and over again that bisping and weidman are the top 2 guys right now to fight AS for the belt, i said i dont think Bisping should get the shot (i personally dont think hes even close to a title shot but thats a completely different topic) then i said the next best choice (based on the 9 guys i posted in my first comment) would be weidman but i feel that a win over a fat and out of shape munoz (no matter how impressive it may have been) and a decision win over Mia dont get you a title shot. He needs one or 2 more fights (boetsch fight + maybe one more depending on his performance in the first fight)before he gets to fight Silva.

Take Bones Jones for example, he had 7 UFC fights under his belt before he got a shot at the title (a shot that he got ONLY because rashad got hurt) and dominated guys during those 7 fights. The UFC isnt going to throw Weidman (one of their young stars in the making) to the lion that is Anderson Silva, they are going to build him up just like they did Bones, just like they did Cain and Dos Santos and just like they are doing with Gustavsson.

The only reason we are even talking about Weidman is because hes doing more talking about AS then he is training for Boetsch...

CM

[Y2JUBAE]

Originally Posted by 1inthechamber

Almost everything you posted is just opinion, unless that is you're Miss Cleo's cousin or something. Nobody's trashing Silva's skill but his politics on choosing opponents (he doesn't exactly choose them but they whine when they get offered a match he doesn't like).

Its almost the same as Fedor not coming to the UFC to fight the best guys in the world, I'd bet you probably bashed Fedor over this like 80% of the mma community did.

As for Chael fight, he really beat himself imho. Look at rd 1, if it was for that stupid backfist, we'd probably have a new mw champion.

If you are the number 1 p4p fighter in the world and your division champion, act like it and stop being a fucking diva.

He's not being a diva, Weidman is. He beats one top 10 guy in his big 8-9 fight career and he's acting like hes been being dodged for years.

NO, I am not Ms. Cleo, however, I do favor odds and out of the rematches Anderson has had, he has won them all. He had zero problems with Nate, thus I feel he would destroy him. Hendo gave him a fight but didn't make it to the 3rd round, I feel he would be destroyed again. I am not trying to be psychic, I am trying to have an opinion based on facts. He did beat chael twice, thats not an opinion, he did beat okami in the rematch, he did beat franklin in the rematch. None of which are opinions.

But lets examine your post according to YOUR guidelines. Are you Ms. Cleo to be saying "
As for Chael fight, he really beat himself imho. Look at rd 1, if it was for that stupid backfist, we'd probably have a new mw champion. "

Oh nevermind, I get it. I addressed that also when I said most are people who are butthurt about their favorite fighter being destroyed by Anderson. I know what your problem is now.

Originally Posted by noahm

Did he already fight Weidman? That is what the topic is about.

.

This topic is about Anderson allegedly dodging Weidman. My post is about how Anderson has been accused of doing it before, meanwhile he has beaten the people they accuse him of dodging.

Turn your "topic police" siren off and relax.

Originally Posted by rivethead

Yes, he's playing matchmaker.

If you look through all of my posts, I've never once said that Weidman will beat Anderson. If you go back at the time of Henderson getting shafted on his rematch, I wasn't saying that Henderson would beat him.

I want what I've always wanted. What I wanted for Fedor, and for Georges. I want the best to fight the best.

When Henderson and Marquardt didn't get their rematches, who did Anderson fight? Fucking Demian Maia, on a one-fight win streak. The matchup was a joke and the fight was actually worse. You cannot, with a straight face, tell me that a win over Demian Maia was a better option than a rematch with Henderson. You cannot tell me that the fight was more exciting than a rematch with Henderson would have been.

I can only speak for myself, but I'd have Silva winning just about every fight that he'd get under heavyweight--and even then, I'd favor him over a lot of HWs. I've never been someone to say Fighter X will destroy Anderson. But I want to see the best fight the best available.

A fighter winning one fight is great. It shows that he is the better man, on that specific night. But rematches forge that one night into something more. They're necessary, they've been an enormous part of combat sports.

What I would have loved to see is Anderson laughing any time he's matched up and saying "OK, bring it on." He probably would have beaten Henderson in a rematch. But not only will the world never know for sure, he refused the fight and took a matchup with a lesser fighter. That's the problem.

I'm a huge Weidman fan, but I'll be clear: Anderson will probably beat him. He's a clear and convincing favorite. But I want Anderson to face him because he's the biggest threat to Anderson right now under 205. Does that make sense?

I want to see Anderson fight guys I think he'll beat, simply because they're the best fights for him. I DO NOT want to see him squander his talent on vanity fights and cherry pick opponents that pose the least amount of threats.

I don't think he'll lose. But I want him to be the best that he can be.

And right now, he's not.



The way I read it, he had Bisping over Weidman, which is, indeed, colossally fucking stupid.


he's and idiot, or an idiot? Funny how that works out sometimes.

But if you really have Bisping over Weidman or Boetsch, he's right. If that is, indeed the case, you are an idiot.

rh

No need for me to look up your old posts, I view your posts as facts.

I do agree with you, I want the same thing, for him to fight the best. I wasn't too happy to see him fighting Bonnar, if they were aiming for a novelty fight, I would much rather have seen Shogun or Vera, so that Anderson would actually have a challenge.

I do think Weidman is more of a contender than Bisping, I think Bisping gets humiliated by Anderson and that's not a knock to Bisping, I actually think Bisping is a good fighter, more technical than most. I see Weidman as a beast, but I'd just like to see him have one more fight before getting a shot at Anderson... which he is doing right now. Thing about Chris is he hasn't beat Tim and he's talking about Anderson. He needs to stop crying about Anderson and focus on his next fight. I see people calling Anderson a "diva" and I look at Chris crying with his 9 fights (1 top ten) and it just annoys me to no end.

I'm hoping Anderson has at least 5 or 6 more fights in him, but I agree, I don't want him to squander his fights away. I don't want to see him going out like Chuck either.

[Sakara=Excitement]

I love how Bisping comes out and says Munoz was fat and out of shape and then the fans start regurgitating it like it's truth.

He was in fine shape.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

I love how Bisping comes out and says Munoz was fat and out of shape and then the fans start regurgitating it like it's truth.

He was in fine shape.

I don't care if you double face palmed me, I agree with you.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Weidman would struggle greatly with Bisping... I dont know if he would win at this point...

He is clearly the more deserving fighter of the title shot, but Im not sure he is the better fighter...

Originally Posted by BonesKnows

The only reason we are even talking about Weidman is because hes doing more talking about AS then he is training for Boetsch...

CM

You train with him?

He has become annoying with his rants about Anderson, but we dont know it is actually affecting his MMA game...

It will get him more exposure... I just hope he didnt sell his soul to become the next Sonnen.

[BonesKnows]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

I love how Bisping comes out and says Munoz was fat and out of shape and then the fans start regurgitating it like it's truth.

He was in fine shape.

On the left is munoz before the weidman fight, and on the right is what he nornally looks like when he fights. IMO it looks like he is carrying a bit of extra weight on him in the weidman picture than the other one.

You be the judge

CM