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[rivethead]

there are guys here who are convinced I hate the UFC, or hate Anderson, or--if you go back far enough--hate GSP.

I don't. I admire them, but I'll always want them to be the best they can possibley be, so when I feel there is constructive criticism to levy, I'm going to speak. That's often misinterpreted, and just as often, mis-defended with crazy analogies and/or comparisons that just don't work.

rh

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by v3xi

When I call Anderson a coward it is not based on the superfight issue alone. The biggest reason are things like when he says "it would be an honor to fight Michael Bisping" and avoids legit rematches against hot fighters and instead picks fights against people he knows he can beat and then fucks around in those fights. Hiding behind that monkey Soares is cowardly, saying one thing and doing another or just flat out contradicting himself on a week to week basis doesn't get him any points either.

Or you are just underestimating and devaluing the competition Anderson wishes to fight against. Michael Bisping is no cake walk regardless of popular belief. Bisping's record speaks for itself and the man is a contender.

You really can't call a 5 year dominant champion a coward... at best you can call him picky. I don't look at Silva and see a coward I look at him and see a dominant champion never seen before in UFC history with the potential to wipe the floor against any and all competition.

[v3xi]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

Or you are just underestimating and devaluing the competition Anderson wishes to fight against. Michael Bisping is no cake walk regardless of popular belief. Bisping's record speaks for itself and the man is a contender.

You really can't call a 5 year dominant champion a coward... at best you can call him picky. I don't look at Silva and see a coward I look at him and see a dominant champion never seen before in UFC history with the potential to wipe the floor against any and all competition.

Bisping is a huge cakewalk and his "skillset" works perfectly into Anderson. A few years ago Bisping didn't even know how to circle away from Hendo's right hand despite his corner yelling at him to do so for 2.5 rounds and your telling me this guy can stand with Anderson? What a joke.

Anderson's record is padded with hand picked nobodies that shouldn't even have been allowed in the ring with him.

[TN94z]

Originally Posted by rivethead

there are guys here who are convinced I hate the UFC, or hate Anderson, or--if you go back far enough--hate GSP.

I don't. I admire them, but I'll always want them to be the best they can possibley be, so when I feel there is constructive criticism to levy, I'm going to speak. That's often misinterpreted, and just as often, mis-defended with crazy analogies and/or comparisons that just don't work.

rh

I feel the same way. Many times I get labeled as a nut hugger just because I am talking about how good fighter A's skill set is versus fighter B's. There are many fighters who I can't stand in general but will admit all day they have a TON of skill and potential (Jon Jones for example). But I am not a nut hugger by any means. BJ is my favorite fighter and I have criticized him countless times. Anyway, good point.

[v3xi]

Originally Posted by TN94z

I feel the same way. Many times I get labeled as a nut hugger just because I am talking about how good fighter A's skill set is versus fighter B's. There are many fighters who I can't stand in general but will admit all day they have a TON of skill and potential (Jon Jones for example). But I am not a nut hugger by any means. BJ is my favorite fighter and I have criticized him countless times. Anyway, good point.

I spent a good part of this year saying Rampage is the dumbest fighter on the UFC roster and I make 1 positive comment about him in another thread yesterday and I get dweebs jumping me and saying I got his balls in my mouth. They both had high rep too. These boards have become such trash since Brock Lesnar came into the UFC.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by v3xi

Anderson's record is padded with hand picked nobodies that shouldn't even have been allowed in the ring with him.

Originally Posted by W.Silva>C.Norris

like Henderson?

Dan had just beat Paul Harris...

Got the nod over Franklin, who many thought he lost...

and then beat Bisping, the fighter many here are so quick to dismiss...

I didnt hear Dana say he would get a shot if he beat Bisping... But the winner of Marquardt vs. Henderson would have gotten a title shot. Dan chose not to take that fight.


Dan didnt want to fight Marquardt/didnt feel he had to... Left the UFC and went to SF...

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

Dan had just beat Paul Harris...

Got the nod over Franklin, who many thought he lost...

and then beat Bisping, the fighter many here are so quick to dismiss...

I didnt hear Dana say he would get a shot if he beat Bisping... But the winner of Marquardt vs. Henderson would have gotten a title shot. Dan chose not to take that fight.


Dan didnt want to fight Marquardt/didnt feel he had to... Left the UFC and went to SF...

Quite simply: You are so full of shit I can smell you across the fucking internet.


You keep repeating this utter nonsense over and over, and it simply isn't true, I've tried to explain this to you more than once, but with your head firmly in your ass, you just pretend that your revisionist history is correct.

So here, I did the legwork for you, dumbfuck:
Winner of UFC 100's Michael Bisping vs. Dan Henderson fight gets a title shot | MMAjunkie.com

Bisping and Henderson to Fight for Middleweight Title Shot at UFC 100 | | Cagepotato

OK? Hendo earned the title shot rematch by beating Bisping. End of story. End of controversy. I understand this all occurred before your time, but it's also an end to your bullshit revisionist history.

As far as Dan "not wanting to fight" Marquardt, that had nothing to do with it. He wanted compensation based on the fact that he was promised a title shot when he beat Bisping. He was perfectly willing to face Marquardt if the his new contract reflected his willingness to make sacrifices as a company man.

"We have a good relationship with Henderson, and there are no hard feelings. He had a figure he believed he was worth, and we had our own figure, and we weren’t able to get together."

Report: Dan Henderson to Strikeforce after UFC contract negotiations falter (Updated) - MMAmania.com
Dan Henderson to Strikeforce after UFC contract negotiations falter ?

Clearly, dana wasn't willing to pay him for that, and just as clearly Anderson wanted no part of a rematch, so he left for greener pastures.

/controversy, /revisionist bullshit.

rh

[Kimbo> Rampage]

I honestly didnt remember that... I can admit I am wrong when I am...

maybe because it was overshadowed by the GSP/Alves or Lesnar/Mir... Or I could have been thinking forward to Silva/Griffen

You issued me a warning because I got a fact wrong? Those things must go out like hotcakes apparently...

Also the "dumbfuck" comment gave me a good laugh... Almost as funny as you explaining how rankings work...


either way, Dan didnt stick around long after his fight with Bisping... Its not like that fight would have never happened, just because it didnt happen right after that fight

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

You issued me a warning because I got a fact wrong? Those things must go out like hotcakes apparently...

I issued you a warning because this isn't the first time I've corrected your stupidity on this specific incident.

Also the "dumbfuck" comment gave me a good laugh... Almost as funny as you explaining how rankings work...

Yeah...rankings are subjective. This isn't. You either get the facts right or you don't, dumbfuck.

either way, Dan didnt stick around long after his fight with Bisping... Its not like that fight would have never happened, just because it didnt happen right after that fight

Again, what people are criticizing Anderson for is simply that he is NOT a fighter who is eager to face the best challenge available.

He's just not that fighter.

Dan was given a title shot after 100. Immediately, soares started talking shit about how it shouldn't happen. Anderson didn't say anything, but he could have. He could have agreed to the rematch and put any question to bed easily. He wasn't obligated to by any clause in his contract, sure...but if he was legitimately eager to face the best challenge available, he could have asked for the fight.

a month later, when Marquardt put the stamp on Maia, Anderson could have said "Great. I've got two great fights in the next 12 months. Dan first, Nate gets next." He didn't.

Instead, he spent the next 12 months fighting guys who weren't as good as Henderson or Maia. And that's easily worthy of criticism.


There is a problem with the concept of "to be the man you've got to beat the man." It only works if "the man" is actually willing to face you, and doesn't play games with the scheduling of the fight. When "the man" does that, he loses legitimacy.

Dan did everything he could to make the rematch happen. Anderson did everything he could to avoid it.

I'm not even saying that Anderson would have lost. He was a clear and away favorite to win again. I'm saying it's conduct unbecoming of a champion, unbecoming of a fighter, to play games like that.

rh

[Kimbo> Rampage]

That is the first time I have seen those articles... If you had posted it before I would not have said it...

I wasnt going to take your word for it, as one of the bigger Anderson detractors out there.

or you could have looked at it as Dan and Nate clearly worked their way back up and it would have been a perfect #1 contenders fight, that people wanted to see in itself... Fans were call for Hendo vs. Marquardt for a long time... They both were working their way into the title picture and a rematch with Anderson...