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Originally Posted by Leucoethiops

"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"

lol, thank you!

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Originally Posted by v3xi

90% of the people I met with missing fingers etc were almost guaranteed to be high or drunk at the time. It doesn't take much to start your own small business and not have to be on the roof or doing the dangerous part of the job. If you want to do grunt work you should at least be learning how to do every facet of the job, saving your money instead of getting drunk and stoned every day, making your own business and having grunts do your work for you while you sit at the office taking calls for the next jobs you will be booking. A lot of construction jobs get forms of hazard pay, just not the lower tier labourers that you find off Kijiji that never graduated high school.

Not sure where this came from but 90% I know who got hurt seriously at work were not stoned or high as you put it.

So your saying people should learn and improve themselves at their jobs and be professionals before they get more money ?

Did you see the picture of the dude with the half torn apart big toe from sparring last week after getting it stuck between floor mats? Just because you're not taking full force punches and kicks every day doesn't mean you're not endangering your physical health every day. People practicing get hurt all the time. You really think that people in construction, on average, get hurt more then UFC fighters?

How many other fighters last week didn't tear there big toe off ? I'd be willing to bet the numbers aren't far off and seeing as your only advocating for the for the lower paid fighters I'd say the numbers.

Again you ducked the whole risk to reward thing. You want these guys to gey money because of that and not for actually being valuable to the company.

We can go around in circles all day like this you won't change your mind I won't change mine. I'll leave at this if you start giving these undercard fighters more money you inflate everyone else's salary going up then you end up with messes like the NHL is in. Anyone in sports and entertainment needs to put their time in before they get good money.

[v3xi]

I am saying, like I said in a post prior, comparing normal jobs and UFC fighters is just dumb and nowhere near the same ballpark. I still can't believe that you think there are more injuries in trades then there are in MMA.

I am advocating that the dudes at the top like Dana should be getting way less and the lower and mid tier guys should be getting more.

Again you ducked the whole risk to reward thing. You want these guys to gey money because of that and not for actually being valuable to the company.

I think this is a terrible view and I think a lot of people on these boards feel the same way as you. Just because a fighter isn't exciting and isn't headlining a PPV doesn't make him a useless piece of shit that should get nothing. Those types of fighters are still under the UFC banner and should be taken care of better by the organization that they fight for.

Maybe if they got a bit more money their personal lives would be better taken care of which would allow for more training and better nutrition. You might have more "no name" fighters coming out of nowhere and turning into champions. Maybe if the UFC paid fighters more we would be seeing more amazing athletes like GSP or Valasquez training in MMA instead of trying to make it into football or another sport.

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by v3xi

I am advocating that the dudes at the top like Dana should be getting way less and the lower and mid tier guys should be getting more.

That's not how Capitalism works.

[v3xi]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

That's not how Capitalism works.

Even though its somewhat irritating to have pretty unrelated topics brought into a discussion I started, at the very least I have people talking about labour rights and economic systems instead of cumtraps. I have faith in mmanews boards still!

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Originally Posted by v3xi

I am saying, like I said in a post prior, comparing normal jobs and UFC fighters is just dumb and nowhere near the same ballpark. I still can't believe that you think there are more injuries in trades then there are in MMA.

I'm not limiting myself to trades I'm talking blue collar in general, factory workers, miners, farmers etc. There is inherent dangers in their jobs just the same as a fighter. You can get hurt just as easily lifting something the wrong way or having a load shift while carrying it and have a serious back injury as you could get hurt in sparring. It's kind of funny you are saying how easily these guys get hurt yet MMA is being held out there as a much safer sport then alot of others.

I am advocating that the dudes at the top like Dana should be getting way less and the lower and mid tier guys should be getting more.

The money wouldn't be coming out of Dana's pocket it would be taken out of other fighters salaries. The budget I'm sure is designed with fighter salaries compromising a certain percentage of it.

I think this is a terrible view and I think a lot of people on these boards feel the same way as you. Just because a fighter isn't exciting and isn't headlining a PPV doesn't make him a useless piece of shit that should get nothing. Those types of fighters are still under the UFC banner and should be taken care of better by the organization that they fight for.

Where did I say anything about exciting or being a useless piece of shit ? I said clearly "value to the company" meaning if they aren't headlining and are relatively new and unknown their value isn't high.

Your definition of better entails higher paying contracts that I don't feel they have earned.

Let me ask you a question would you pay the same kind of money that ufc charges for ringside seats to go see a regional show with relatively unknown fighters ?

Maybe if they got a bit more money their personal lives would be better taken care of which would allow for more training and better nutrition. You might have more "no name" fighters coming out of nowhere and turning into champions. Maybe if the UFC paid fighters more we would be seeing more amazing athletes like GSP or Valasquez training in MMA instead of trying to make it into football or another sport.

Athletes in general go to the sport they love most or feel they are the best at. Once you start going to a sport only for the money I'm personally not interested in watching you compete. (see - Alexandre Daigle)

Also seen as you mentioned them GSP and Valequez seem to have managed just fine getting to the point they are at now and they had to work their way up from the bottom.

[v3xi]

Where did I say anything about exciting or being a useless piece of shit ? I said clearly "value to the company" meaning if they aren't headlining and are relatively new and unknown their value isn't high.

Your definition of better entails higher paying contracts that I don't feel they have earned.

Let me ask you a question would you pay the same kind of money that ufc charges for ringside seats to go see a regional show with relatively unknown fighters ?

I never said their value is high, but I am saying that they should still be getting more because it will indirectly make the fighters better at what they do and they are fighting in the "pros" for their sport. They take a lot of risk for not a lot of gain regardless if they suck or not.

I don't know what the last question has to do with anything but I am sure you already know my answer. How about this, if I paid $1000 (or whatever it is) for ringside seats to UFC 153, I would be there at 8pm watching every single fight. How bout that?

[YukonJordan]

Originally Posted by kalebarker

GSP won athelete of the year on Sportsnet's annual poll in an olympic year where Crosby won had the game winning goal and best start to a season in a long time. He is huge in canada. Not just in Canada, but the entire world, he is one of the most marketable atheletes in MMA. Him making $15 million shouldn't be a surprise.



They also get money that goes towards scholarships after the CHL. The CHL isn't a pro league. It's still Junior hockey.

To be fair your average MMA fan is much more likely to have a larger, more active online presence than your average hockey fan. Also as the network that leads in MMA coverage in Canada, Sportsnet has a vested interest in not only promoting GSP but MMA in general.

In 2010 Crosby won the Rocket Richard trophy and the Mark Messier Leadership Award plus the previously mentioned golden goal which is a moment inscribed into Canadian history.

In 2010 all GSP did was beat Dan Hardy and Josh Koschek. Can't really compare that to what Crosby did.

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Originally Posted by v3xi

I never said their value is high, but I am saying that they should still be getting more because it will indirectly make the fighters better at what they do and they are fighting in the "pros" for their sport. They take a lot of risk for not a lot of gain regardless if they suck or not.

I don't know what the last question has to do with anything but I am sure you already know my answer. How about this, if I paid $1000 (or whatever it is) for ringside seats to UFC 153, I would be there at 8pm watching every single fight. How bout that?

Would you still pay that $1000 if there was no main card or fx prelims? That's what the question has to do about it you pay for something based on the value it has to you. You are saying these fighters deserve more when they haven't proven a tangible value. UFC 154 still sells as many PPVs and arena seats whether Steven Siler or Andre Gashimov are on the card how can you really say they are worth more.

You keep siting risk like these guys are made of glass and break all the time. They don't mma fighters who have somewhat successful careers remain in the sport for a good portion of time and the ones that do retire normally do so because they can't compete anymore not because of career ending injuries. Career ending injuries are pretty rare in MMA.

Do you not feel people in the workplace should be compensated based on what they bring to the company they work for?

Another couple questions for you why is it we hear more outsiders calling for pay raises for these fighters then current or past fighters ? and why are the guys with managers/trainers with lots of experience in the business ok with the current business model and pay scales and your not?

[adamatfullers]

@ v3xi "They take a lot of risk for not a lot of gain regardless if they suck or not."

BACK TO MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT

If you don't like your job or feel you don't get paid properly for your risk....Go find a different JOB. This is America.