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[DanC]

Originally Posted by noahm

JDS showed is that he has the heart not to give up and a solid chin. He doesn't seem to know what to do though, when things don't lend themselves to head-hunting. He can KO Cain on any given night, but Cain is the better fighter.

He started off early dumping JDS hard on the first TD attempt. Even though JDS stuffed the next few, he knew it was something he had to constantly watch for and this took away from his normal focus on striking. Cain never gave him time to find his range or get his bearings and from there it just went downhill.

Almost nobody can keep up with Cains gas tank, so the fact that JDS was still avoiding takedowns in the 5th shows he has the gas, he just didn't know what to do, and fought rattled for probably a third of the fight. Yeah, he may drop Cain in their next meeting, but Cain IS by far the better fighter imo. He took almost zero damage in 5 wild rounds with JDS.

edit: Also, anyone else think of the elephant man when they saw JDS at the end?

We all know Cain has phenomenal cardio, but we really saw the problem that that presents to guys in the heavyweight division in this fight. Cain didn't want to get clipped like in the last fight, and was more than happy to relentlessly shoot for the takedown, keep JDS on the backfoot and push forwards in order to neutralise the hands of JDS.

The difference between Cain and the majority of other wrestlers is that he almost looked like he was shooting half-heartedly on a number of occasions as rather than genuinely hoping to take JDS down, Cain just wanted to make JDS was unable to find any kind of rhythm and was preoccupied with anticipating the takedown.

If I remember rightly, JDS's corner advised him to anticipate the TD and throw his hands accordingly. At the beginning of the second we saw JDS throw a heavy uppercut (which missed) but aside from that he didn't have much of an answer to the takedown.

[joeodd2]

Wow I can't believe I'm seeing fighter bashing toward JDS after one hell of a war....What da fuck? The dude fought like a champion and deserves that respect. Some people on these boards are acting like teenage girls on an American Idol forum. Seriously this is Mixed Martial Arts, show some respect. The man could have easily quit after the 3rd round but he fought on, trying to find a way to win. And who knows? One punch could have turned this into the comeback of the year.

I give all the props to Cain, Joe Rogan was right, this is the REAL Cain Velasquez. And I am really excited to see how he matches up against Overreem. A lot of people seem to think that Cain can walk through Overreem, I just don't see how....A former K1 Grand Prix chamion, almost half his wins coming by submission, and world class TDD. I just think Cain fans could be in for a rude surprise should they square off....

It's good to see Todd Dufee back in the UFC, I think his lost to Overreem may have really opened his eyes to how much he needs to improve in order to become a top contender.

Really disapointed in Melvin Guillard, as usual.

Tim Boetch should have to give Lombard a rematch, and then may God Rest His Soul....

[1inthechamber]

I like Overeem's chances vs Jds, not so much against Cain. I don't think Overeem can eat a shot like the one jds ate in the first. Jds showed the heart of a fucking champion, he hung in there regardless of how bad the beating was.

On another, I'm glad we can finally stop fucking saying how "great" jds is off his back just because he's Brazilian. We always hear how "great" every Brazilian fighter's bjj is, even when we hadn't seen any of it.

I can somewhat agree with Cain being the better fighter of the two, but we have to remember Jds was stuffing quite a bit of those tds before he got hit with that huge shot. Regardless, both guys are just on another level from the division and I believe these two will be fighting eachother quite a bit as long as they both fight in the ufc.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by DarkMage

JDS got destroyed?

If that isn't one of the most one-sided, dominant beatdowns of a champion we've seen then I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by Ramma

You truly revel in the shortcomings of others, don't you?

No.

Originally Posted by joeodd2

Wow I can't believe I'm seeing fighter bashing toward JDS after one hell of a war....What da fuck? The dude fought like a champion and deserves that respect. Some people on these boards are acting like teenage girls on an American Idol forum. Seriously this is Mixed Martial Arts, show some respect. The man could have easily quit after the 3rd round but he fought on, trying to find a way to win. And who knows? One punch could have turned this into the comeback of the year.

How about you not act like a teenage girl yourself and put a name to it. If youre gonna call out people at least be a man enough to attach names to it.

Also I will be quite interested to go back through your own posts to see just how much respect you show other fighters because after all, this is mixed martial arts.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

My take:

Cain was in beastmode last night, amazing stuff, it was pretty incredible to see. However for me Rogan's commentary made it nearly unwatchable, the hyperbole was terrible and he was gobbling Cain to no end. It was cool to see JDS not get finished and I'm excited for the inevitable third act, but he's going to have ensure he doesn't go backwards so much, it was killing him.

Okami/Belcher was brutal to watch. I hated that matchup for this exact reason, Okami just snuffed Belcher out and nothing was really accomplished.

Miller kicked the shit out of Lauzon as expected, I personally had Holloway/Garcia as the FOTN, but it was damn exciting.

Prelims were pretty awesome, but the main card was pretty blah until the main and co.

[Cat--Smasher]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

If that isn't one of the most one-sided, dominant beatdowns of a champion we've seen then I don't know what is.
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Silva Franklin immediately comes to mind as a great example of a one sided dominant beat down of a champ.

[rob_bills]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

My take:

Cain was in beastmode last night, amazing stuff, it was pretty incredible to see. However for me Rogan's commentary made it nearly unwatchable, the hyperbole was terrible and he was gobbling Cain to no end. It was cool to see JDS not get finished and I'm excited for the inevitable third act, but he's going to have ensure he doesn't go backwards so much, it was killing him.

Okami/Belcher was brutal to watch. I hated that matchup for this exact reason, Okami just snuffed Belcher out and nothing was really accomplished.

Miller kicked the shit out of Lauzon as expected, I personally had Holloway/Garcia as the FOTN, but it was damn exciting.

Prelims were pretty awesome, but the main card was pretty blah until the main and co.

Pretty much agree with everything here.

JDS' cardio tonight was abysmal, I knew it was an issue after watching the Nelson and Carwin fights, but it was masked pretty well because he destroyed both peoples souls by punching them in the head A LOT. At the point JDS had no cardio those guys were already done.

Part of me wonders if he has surrounded himself with too many yes men, and how dedicated he was to training. I mean if I knocked a dude out in 60 seconds or whatever I wouldnt be too motivated either. JDS seems like a genuinely nice guy, and people often say that when a fighter becomes champion all kinds of sharks come out of the water.

Its just a theory, but I am trying to rationalise why a champion was gassed after three minutes.

[DanC]

Originally Posted by rob_bills

Pretty much agree with everything here.

JDS' cardio tonight was abysmal, I knew it was an issue after watching the Nelson and Carwin fights, but it was masked pretty well because he destroyed both peoples souls by punching them in the head A LOT. At the point JDS had no cardio those guys were already done.

Part of me wonders if he has surrounded himself with too many yes men, and how dedicated he was to training. I mean if I knocked a dude out in 60 seconds or whatever I wouldnt be too motivated either. JDS seems like a genuinely nice guy, and people often say that when a fighter becomes champion all kinds of sharks come out of the water.

Its just a theory, but I am trying to rationalise why a champion was gassed after three minutes.

It's a good theory Rob, and I guess we'll see whether it's true when JDS next fights. It doesn't quite add up that a champion - facing a guy known for having otherworldly cardio - would look sloppy and gassed before the first round was up, when he had done little more than defend a few takedowns.

I wonder if maybe there was an element of JDS having an adrenaline dump. He seemed to go from looking quite crisp and relaxed in the opening couple of minutes, to looking like he was out of his depth... it almost looked like a switch was flipped that drained JDS's tank.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by DanC

It's a good theory Rob, and I guess we'll see whether it's true when JDS next fights. It doesn't quite add up that a champion - facing a guy known for having otherworldly cardio - would look sloppy and gassed before the first round was up, when he had done little more than defend a few takedowns.

I wonder if maybe there was an element of JDS having an adrenaline dump. He seemed to go from looking quite crisp and relaxed in the opening couple of minutes, to looking like he was out of his depth... it almost looked like a switch was flipped that drained JDS's tank.

Yes that switch is called an overhand right.

[rob_bills]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Yes that switch is called an overhand right.

He was actually gassed and had his hands down even before that happened.