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[Repenter]

Originally Posted by jdwall

hope i dont have to get negd to death for bein right like i was for the last 4-5yrs of the fedor fallacy

when it takes you 4-5 years to make the case for something being a fallacy, maybe it's time to call it something else, eh?

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Did JDS destroy Shane Carwin?











This has gained you minus 5 reps from me.

Yes, he destroyed Shane Carwin.

[hass]

I wanted to see Dos Santos win, but I'm not going deny the fact that he got beat up, pretty damn bad. Don't understand what the hell some people are thinking saying he didn't (denial). Sure he was gutsy and it was unbelievable how he took some of those heavyweight shots without going out. Maybe he'll keep his hands up next fight...

[DanC]

I can't say I noticed JDS' hands as being down much further than usual, he tends to stand quite side-on for an MMA boxer, with his right hand tucked, and his left hand almost waist-high at times.

I remember seeing the overhand right land and JDS stance made its impact look even more pronounced (and considering it was a heavy, heavy right hand that is really saying something), his footing was off and his legs were almost crossing over as it landed. Whether this is because of his side-on stance or not I couldn't say, I'll have to watch the fight again (and I will be later tonight).

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by dbader08

Did you question Cain's ability to beat the living shit out of someone? Because I certainly didn't lol

Maybe you missed the part where Cain easily walked through JDS's jab and knocked him on hiss ass with a huge right hand? I mean, I just assumed you did because that was pretty damn impressive to me.

I think you're missing the point. Cain was able to hurt JDS and sap him of his cardio within the first round. BUT... Cain looked like he was too careful to try and commit to the finish, even though JDS was basically an exhausted zombie for the majority of that fight.

Even though he did beat the hell out of Dos Santos, it wasn't the kind of domination that makes you think JDS was completely outclassed as a fighter. The fact that so many people want to see a 3rd fight, and still think JDS could win it should tell you something.

The Shogun-Jones fight. Now THAT was a complete ass-whooping were Shogun was just outclassed in every aspect. No one really wants to see a rematch because of how dominant Jones was. Cain's performance wasn't anything like that.



In case you forgot how brutal of a beating Shogun took...

[Repenter]

...godammit i hate that gif...

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by H0SS

I think you're missing the point. Cain was able to hurt JDS and sap him of his cardio within the first round. BUT... Cain looked like he was too careful to try and commit to the finish, even though JDS was basically an exhausted zombie for the majority of that fight.

Even though he did beat the hell out of Dos Santos, it wasn't the kind of domination that makes you think JDS was completely outclassed as a fighter. The fact that so many people want to see a 3rd fight, and still think JDS could win it should tell you something.

The Shogun-Jones fight. Now THAT was a complete ass-whooping were Shogun was just outclassed in every aspect. No one really wants to see a rematch because of how dominant Jones was. Cain's performance wasn't anything like that.



In case you forgot how brutal of a beating Shogun took...

lol.

Uhh...yeah, JDS actually was completely outclassed. If you can't see that then I really feel sorry for you. He got completely fucking dominated standing and on the ground, for 5 rounds.

Sure, on one hand, you can say it was impressive that JDS survived, which it was. But at the same time, he had 25 minutes and could do nothing with it. If anything it just proves that the only way JDS can win is by flash KO.

and Yes, Captain irrelevant, we all know how Shogun-Jones went...but that doesn't change the fact that JDS got fucking smoked for 5 rounds... I've seen better straw grasping from Chicago Cubs fans lol

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by dbader08

lol.

Uhh...yeah, JDS actually was completely outclassed. If you can't see that then I really feel sorry for you.

and Yes, Captain irrelevant, we all know how Shogun-Jones went...but that doesn't change the fact that JDS got fucking smoked for 5 rounds... I've seen better straw grasping from Chicago Cubs fans lol

I still don't think you understand my point, but I'm not going to bother further explaining it to you. It would just devolve this thread to me humiliating you front of everyone... again.

Why don't you stick to what you're good at: jerking off to boy-shaped playdough while reminiscing about that time you found out Santa Clause wasn't real and then got molested by him.

[Pasha K]

Well Cain was really impressive but I am more surprised at JDS.

First of all I really do not understand at all what happened to JDS, it seemed that his gas tank ended after 2 minutes of round No. 1.
Cigano had a lot of time to prepare, he looked in awesome shape, he was very confident as always. Yet, after that punch that knocked him down, he really could not do anything.
He had not the strenght to keep his hands up at all, he was eating tons of punches in every round, he was being taken down at will, and not because his TDD became bad or Cain's wrestling became even more great. But simply because Cigano had no strenght at all to do anything.
It is really surprising to me. He did not trained enough cardio or what??
I understand that he never felt comfortable, that he was eating punches from the beginning and that obvioulsy tired him. But seriously in the second round it looked like he had already fought for 10 rounds or somthing like that. He could not even lift his hands!!

After the fight he said basically that the punches he ate were not a big deal, then why in the blue hell he was so damn fucking tired since the 3rd minute of round No. 1?

However I am also impressed because of the heart he showed. He ate tons of punches, his face was a mess, and yet he was not finished. Definitely extremely tough guy.

I hope he recovers from all the damage he received and comes back stronger than ever.
Cain is the real deal and I think he will absolutely destroy Overeem (And I truly hope so).
As for JDS, I do not know who may be the next for him. Maybe if Overeem loses, then JDs vs Overeem will happen. But after watching what happened today, I do not want to see Overeem vs JDS anymore.
Overeem of course does not has the wrestling or cardio Cain has, but if Cain was able to make look JDS like a newbie in striking, I do not want to imagine what will do "Roids".

Being said that I am huge fan of Cigano, hopefully this will be a great learning experience for him and he is going to come back better than ever.
Congrats to Cain, a true Champion!

[v3xi]

Both guys impressed me. JDS was done after round 1 but it wasnt because of his cardio, it was because of the damage he took. JDS cardio was better than Cain's in round 5, it just took him 3 rounds to recover from the beating from round 1. Cain's punching power was gone after round 2, all he did was smother like a heavyweight Clay Guida. I am not trying to take anything away from Cain, I am trying to emphasize how amazing it was that JDS could do anything at all in round 4 and 5 and I really think in a rematch where he takes less damage early on, JDS would have the advantage in the later rounds.

I think JDS got dominated but not destroyed, I'd even like to see a 3rd fight between these two because 1) its amazing HW's could go 5 rounds 2) I believe JDS has more than a decent chance of winning.

@PashaK from the post above, JDS was stuffing take downs in round 5 when he should have been absolutely dead at that point. The damage he took is what caused him to fade so early.