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[dbader08]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

...poor jds fans. Haha...

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by dbader08

...poor jds fans. Haha...

I have an emotional attachment to neither.

Why?

Ubereem gonna whoop dat ass.

[W.Silva>C.Norris]

Originally Posted by H0SS

And then I admitted that Dos Santos got the hell beaten out of him, but it wasn't the kind of beating that makes you think he doesn't belong in the cage with Cain. And I illustrated that point by drawing a comparison to the beating Jones put on Shogun. No one really wanted that rematch after that fight was over. However, a lot of people want to see the rubber match between Cain and Junior, because Cain winning again is not a foregone conclusion.

Ive gotta disagree with you on this one. A unanimous decision in which a fighter didnt lose a round in 5 rounds on any of the judges scorecard says a lot more to me then swarming a dazed and hurt opponent. Id still like to see a shogun vs jones rematch, and I think its nowhere near as one sided as the first fight was.

Not trying to say JDS doesnt belong with Cain, more that if you want to make that argument on dominant performances....

As far as a rubber match goes, I stand by my previous statements. These two guys can fight 10 times, and walk away with 5 wins each. Two very evenly matched opponents, both with a great ability to win fights. Either one can beat the other on any given night, Id say. A winner for the rubber match is impossible to predict.

[CtGreat]

As a fighter: which is more ego boosting. Beating somebody in 10 secconds before they can test their abilities against you. Or spending 5 rounds in absolute dominance over your opponent to leave no doubt that you are the better fighter?

I'd pick the later.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by W.Silva>C.Norris

Ive gotta disagree with you on this one. A unanimous decision in which a fighter didnt lose a round in 5 rounds on any of the judges scorecard says a lot more to me then swarming a dazed and hurt opponent. Id still like to see a shogun vs jones rematch, and I think its nowhere near as one sided as the first fight was.

Not trying to say JDS doesnt belong with Cain, more that if you want to make that argument on dominant performances....

As far as a rubber match goes, I stand by my previous statements. These two guys can fight 10 times, and walk away with 5 wins each. Two very evenly matched opponents, both with a great ability to win fights. Either one can beat the other on any given night, Id say. A winner for the rubber match is impossible to predict.

This is the sentiment that I simply don't understand. Shogun had 3 rounds to recover from being rocked in the first. Are you really saying that shogun had 15 minutes to recover but still couldn't? Shogun has looked the same in each fight since the Jones fight, the only difference in his other fights, is that his opponents didnt have the finishing ability Jones has.

That's my humble biased opinion haha

[W.Silva>C.Norris]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

This is the sentiment that I simply don't understand. Shogun had 3 rounds to recover from being rocked in the first. Are you really saying that shogun had 15 minutes to recover but still couldn't? Shogun has looked the same in each fight since the Jones fight, the only difference in his other fights, is that his opponents didnt have the finishing ability Jones has.

That's my humble biased opinion haha

Honestly, yeah, I dont think shogun ever recovered from that opening flying knee. I think every time he started to get his bearing back, he got hit again with something, and knocked back to queer street. It was def. a hell of a performance, but if its not for that opening knee, that fight looks a lot different Id say.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by W.Silva>C.Norris

Honestly, yeah, I dont think shogun ever recovered from that opening flying knee. I think every time he started to get his bearing back, he got hit again with something, and knocked back to queer street. It was def. a hell of a performance, but if its not for that opening knee, that fight looks a lot different Id say.

After seeing how shogun looked against Henderson and Goose...I don't have any belief in a rematch being any different. Shogun will still avoid using kicks out of fear of being taken down. He will still throw looping punches while avoiding using jabs like the plague. A fighter like jones is a nightmare matchup for him.

[Pasha K]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

As a fighter: which is more ego boosting. Beating somebody in 10 secconds before they can test their abilities against you. Or spending 5 rounds in absolute dominance over your opponent to leave no doubt that you are the better fighter?

I'd pick the later.

ammm it depends.
It sounds more impressive "I KOd a guy in 10 seconds" than "I dominated my opponent for 5 rounds and won a decision".

Yes, in 5 rounds you show that you are better than you opponent, but it can also be said "You are a better fighter, you absolutely outclassed him, you landed over 100 punches, he barely landed some few punches, but yet you did not finish him after 25 minutes??"

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by Pasha K

ammm it depends.
It sounds more impressive "I KOd a guy in 10 seconds" than "I dominated my opponent for 5 rounds and won a decision".

Yes, in 5 rounds you show that you are better than you opponent, but it can also be said "You are a better fighter, you absolutely outclassed him, you landed over 100 punches, he barely landed some few punches, but yet you did not finish him after 25 minutes??"

Indeed. If you go that long, and can't finish, then that's bad. However, I still think its much better than a flash KO. With a flash KO, there will always be people saying that it was a fluke/he just got caught. With a 5 round domination, there is no room for doubt.

[roaddawg]

I am sure a rubber match would be more telling. You really cant derive much from lastnighto ther than JDS isn't unstoppable and like any other fighter has a weakness.

As I was watching the fight I was wondering how any of the other top heavyweights in the UFC would have faired against Cain?

- Roy Nelson would have gotten taken down and molested
- Mark Hunt would have suffered the same fate
- Werdum would have gotten man handled if not KTFO

There really isn't anyone left at HW other than Overeem and JDS that can beat Cain. DC ofcourse is eliminated from this discussion for obvious reasons.