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Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

He beat a severely out of shape Mark Hunt who could of cared less about MMA at that moment. He beat Lombard when Lombard was 8 fights in to his career. His wins against Babalu and Jacare are legit and also YEARS ago. Since beating Babalu, here's his who's who of fighting:

Sokujdou - the fact you list him as a legit win is mind numbing.
Gary Goodridge - Really?
King Mo - WHO HE LOST TO
Jake O' Brien - that killer!
Mizuno - LOL
Jardine - A draw against Glassy Jaw'd Joe himself
Izumi - Alright win but in only his 5 fight
OSP - Not even top 20

if that was bisping's record, some folks would be clamouring for him to just be given the 185lb title.

[initial_zen]

Originally Posted by KevoOnTheRadio

And then he lays eggs against Jardine and King Mo.

If i recall correctly, the ref pretty much gave jardine the tie.. as he lost every single round. I mean jesus man, look at this fight metric
FightMetric: Mousasi vs. Jardine Official FightMetric Report

As for the mo fight, mo got his ass kicked. But with completely horrible judging, i can see how mo won.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

No one is acting like Mousasi is complete shit... but in reguards to how highly some rank him/how good they think he really is, he is overrated imo...

You occasionally hear people say he easily beats guys like Anderson, Machida, Shogun, etc.

He is a clear top10 LHW imo... but has some very tough fights even in the lower half of it... Davis and Bader would be tough fights for him... I would also like to see him fight Glover, Goose, or Lil nog... let alone the elites like Jones, Machida, Evans.

Originally Posted by initial_zen

If i recall correctly, the ref pretty much gave jardine the tie.. as he lost every single round. I mean jesus man, look at this fight metric
FightMetric: Mousasi vs. Jardine Official FightMetric Report

As for the mo fight, mo got his ass kicked. But with completely horrible judging, i can see how mo won.

I dont know about getting his "ass kicked"

Both of them looked very sloppy later on and had clear cardio issues... Mo didnt do anything on top, but he did control the fight and land the takedowns... Imo Mousasi didnt do anything big from his back like people are claiming... yes he did hit him, but nothing significant... The way fights are scored I wasnt surprised at all to see Mo get the W... It was an ugly performance by both of them...

[KevoOnTheRadio]

Originally Posted by initial_zen

If i recall correctly, the ref pretty much gave jardine the tie.. as he lost every single round. I mean jesus man, look at this fight metric
FightMetric: Mousasi vs. Jardine Official FightMetric Report

As for the mo fight, mo got his ass kicked. But with completely horrible judging, i can see how mo won.

I'm not saying he's a bad fighter, I'm saying he hasn't shown me anything to say he can swim with the sharks at LHW. Bones, Evans, Goose, Shogun, Machida, Glover all beat him. He has no wins at LHW over anything but second tier fighters, and he's gone 0-1-1 against anything resembling top 20 talent. So yes, I feel he's a good fighter, probably fringe top 10, but overrated by most people. But that's my opinion.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by optimusjoel

Yeah that fight was horrendous. King Mo took a beating laying on top of him for 5 rounds. Mo's face was busted up bad.

Was King Mo even trying to defend the shots or was he trying not to give up position? If I remember correctly those were shots freely given.

[Sniggles]

Mousasi needs to consistently face higher ranked competition.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

He beat a severely out of shape Mark Hunt who could of cared less about MMA at that moment. He beat Lombard when Lombard was 8 fights in to his career. His wins against Babalu and Jacare are legit and also YEARS ago. Since beating Babalu, here's his who's who of fighting:

Sokujdou - the fact you list him as a legit win is mind numbing.
Gary Goodridge - Really?
King Mo - WHO HE LOST TO
Jake O' Brien - that killer!
Mizuno - LOL
Jardine - A draw against Glassy Jaw'd Joe himself
Izumi - Alright win but in only his 5 fight
OSP - Not even top 20

I'll preface all of this, by saying that I'm one of Mousasi's biggest fans on this forum, he's up there with Glover, Jacare, Werdum, Jim Miller, Belcher, Eddie, GSP, Fedor, Wandy & JDS, as one of my highest faves, who I'll be "on their nuts" etc.

As such, I think both Mizuno and Izumi are two really good wins and he absolutely won the Jardine fight, which was poorly ref'd. Let's also not forget that Jake O'Brien's other 3 losses being to Bones, Cain and Arlovski, not bad company, and Soko, when he wants to, can be a sincere threat, I thought he looked very good in the Jimmo fight recently for example and has a solid skillset... I also like OSP, while he's not a legit top 20, I think he was a huge sleeper for Gegard.

All that said, I'm not a huge fan of Mousasi's work these past few years, and feel he's been mismanaged and poorly handled, however I believe that he can thoroughly do better than he has looked as of late, however has all of the tools to become a world champion(IMO that is) and I believe it is truly a case of Mousasi getting his ducks in a row, which I think a consistent and healthy run in the UFC would provide.

I genuinely consider Mousasi to be a helluva talent above the likes of current LHWs such as say, a Goose, T.Silva, or Forrest & Shogun(at this juncture) and think that the real harbinger of progress in Mousasi's career will be his TDD. I'd love to see him get a Bader or Davis, if he can stop their takedowns, I believe he can be a genuine LHW contender, and would quelch alot of questions about his talent.

End game, I genuinely understand and appreciate the questions and issues people have with Mousasi and why they don't consider him to be a legit LHW. I personally would prefer him to fight at MW if he could, but I'm 100% on board with him. I've seen too much technique and talent on almost all fronts to state otherwise at this moment.

[roaddawg]

He could probably beat Forest but Goose would eat him alive. The old Thiago Silva would make short work of him imo.

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by KevoOnTheRadio

And then he lays eggs against Jardine and King Mo.

He beat the living shit out of both of those guys lol not to mention Mo is a very big LHW and we are talking about him at MW.

^I think Gegard takes Thiago and could take Goose....though Goose would be tough with the size factor, which is why Gegard should go to MW.

Also, OSP may not be top 20, because he hasn't really foughten anyone to be considered that high...but you can't deny that he's talented and big for the division he's in. He's still got holes in his stand up but his grappling is pretty solid...a solid win imo.

[initial_zen]

Originally Posted by KevoOnTheRadio

I'm not saying he's a bad fighter, I'm saying he hasn't shown me anything to say he can swim with the sharks at LHW. Bones, Evans, Goose, Shogun, Machida, Glover all beat him. He has no wins at LHW over anything but second tier fighters, and he's gone 0-1-1 against anything resembling top 20 talent. So yes, I feel he's a good fighter, probably fringe top 10, but overrated by most people. But that's my opinion.

Ok, i'll agree with this. I never had mousassi ranked super high, so when ever i hear people say he is overrated i just assume they are saying he is a complete scrub. I always held mousassi as a person who is a very tough opponent with the potential of top 10 if he could pull it together. I had him kinda mixed in there like a nate marquart at mw, but at lhw i think his stock goes down a lot (it is a stacked division)