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[Fe1]

No. He needs to retire. I don't see him being very competitive with anyone in the top ten in either division anymore. Retirement is the best thing for him. No sense in him taking more unnecessary punishment.

[W.Silva>C.Norris]

I think the best thing BJ could do right now is take some time off, and figure out where he is in his life. It would suck to see him walk away, but if its time its time. Id rather he left now, before we need to watch a liddell-esque collapse.

[Bearded Big Country]

He should go train there, not schedule a fight but just go and train. Take it slow and see how he does at a different camp. If everything is clicking then he can make it a fight camp.

[mmawolverine]

holy shit bj penn training at tristar would be amazing, i agree the yesmen would not want to let their cashcow out of sight but if hes retired anyway then maybe theres enough distance between them for bj to take the offer seriously, ive got goosebumps

[Fe1]

Although I'm not his biggest fan, I'll say that he's given a lot to the sport. I'll even admit that he deserves to be in the hall of fame. With that said, I don't think he has much more to offer. His last two fights have been absolute blowouts. Sure, you can argue that he was fighting above his division, but looking at the current state of the lightweight division I don't see him doing any better there. He's given a lot to his fans but now it's time for him to call it quits. Besides, if I was a BJ fan, I wouldn't be too interested in seeing him get dominated again.

[AnchorPunch]

Originally Posted by Fe1

No. He needs to retire. I don't see him being very competitive with anyone in the top ten in either division anymore. Retirement is the best thing for him. No sense in him taking more unnecessary punishment.

Originally Posted by Fe1

Although I'm not his biggest fan, I'll say that he's given a lot to the sport. I'll even admit that he deserves to be in the hall of fame. With that said, I don't think he has much more to offer. His last two fights have been absolute blowouts. Sure, you can argue that he was fighting above his division, but looking at the current state of the lightweight division I don't see him doing any better there. He's given a lot to his fans but now it's time for him to call it quits. Besides, if I was a BJ fan, I wouldn't be too interested in seeing him get dominated again.

Seeming like it's really important to you, huh?

I'm a fan, and I don't like watching him fight anymore, it makes me cringe. But he's not getting knocked out and it's his life. Besides, I see no reason he couldn't be top 5 at LW if he worked for it.

When calling for retirement, I think of Liddell as my standard. The difference between him and Liddell is Liddell reached a point where he couldn't take a punch and his speech was slurring. BJ's just reached a point where he's predictable and lazy.

[Fe1]

Originally Posted by AnchorPunch

Seeming like it's really important to you, huh?

I'm a fan, and I don't like watching him fight anymore, it makes me cringe. But he's not getting knocked out and it's his life. Besides, I see no reason he couldn't be top 5 at LW if he worked for it.

When calling for retirement, I think of Liddell as my standard. The difference between him and Liddell is Liddell reached a point where he couldn't take a punch and his speech was slurring. BJ's just reached a point where he's predictable and lazy.

I have to disagree with you about him being top 5 at LW. The division is so deep right now and with his career being on the decline I don't see him breaking the top 10. Guys like Diaz, Miller, Cerrone, or Pettis would put a serious hurt on him.

As far as the Chuck Liddell standard for retirement, fan or not, I hate seeing anyone get to that point. Let's face it, he's not the BJ he used to be. I just think it's best for some guys, including Penn, to hang it up before they get to the same point as Garry Goodridge.

I see this situation being comparable to Wanderlei Silva's. I'm a fan of his and I don't want to see him go away. The fan in me wants to see him keep fighting even though he's far past his prime. But another part of me is concerned for his well being and thinks he needs to stop.

*sigh* I just made myself sad

[AnchorPunch]

Originally Posted by Fe1

I have to disagree with you about him being top 5 at LW. The division is so deep right now and with his career being on the decline I don't see him breaking the top 10. Guys like Diaz, Miller, Cerrone, or Pettis would put a serious hurt on him.

As far as the Chuck Liddell standard for retirement, fan or not, I hate seeing anyone get to that point. Let's face it, he's not the BJ he used to be. I just think it's best for some guys, including Penn, to hang it up before they get to the same point as Garry Goodridge.

Suppose we'll agree to disagree. Maybe it's my LW-bias but I don't think Penn has taken that kind of damage yet, nor do I think he would if he returned to LW. I think he's predictable and not in the shape he should be, but I don't think he's super damaged. Though, then again, maybe he has some injuries we don't know about.

That said, if he got into training seriously and mixed in his ground game, I think he'd have an amazing fight with Miller, might even sub a Pettis or Cerrone.

Originally Posted by Fe1

I see this situation being comparable to Wanderlei Silva's. I'm a fan of his and I don't want to see him go away. The fan in me wants to see him keep fighting even though he's far past his prime. But another part of me is concerned for his well being and thinks he needs to stop.

*sigh* I just made myself sad

Oh man, don't be sad. There's all kinds of new talent for them to train. Though I'm with you on the Wandy thing. I have a lot of ambivalence when I see him fight.

[YukonJordan]

I don't think anyone at LW beats him down the way he has been at WW. I hate to sound liek one of those people that says " a motivated in shape BJ... blah blah blah" but seriously if he trained at Tri-Star it can only help especially at LW. Edgar was fast enough to outpoint but that's only way he had a chance against him.

[Adambomb]

Originally Posted by Luc1an

I love BJ but, Bendo, Nate, Gray, J Lau, Miller would beat him nowadays.

This statement is absolutely absurd.

Bendo could beat Penn because of his wrestling & multi-dimensional striking. Everyone else you listed would be an underdog against BJ.

Nate Diaz is not his older brother, & Nick took some huge shots against BJ. It'd be a war, but Penn would win.

Maynard has always been hesitant about fighting BJ. If Penn can fend off takedowns at 170 he can stuff Grey's shot. Maynard has big power but is not a better boxer than BJ.

Lauzon & Miller are just laughable. Penn is superior to them in all aspects of MMA.