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[goodtimes]

Jones used to always land those spinning elbows to the back of the head, that's how he dropped Bonnar. He's changed it though, he used to come down from the top now it's from the side. If they land to the back of the head, they are illegal, just seems like refs never see it as that.

Those oblique kicks are pretty lame though, just like the punches to the thigh. The point is to hurt the other guys knee, which is pretty dirty.

[Rise]

Rarely do you see an oblique kick set up with a lot of power behind it most times it's throw it's designed not to actually hurt the knee but more or less keep distance and spacing or to disrupt what the other guy is attempting to do. They are pretty hard to set up to where there would be significant power behind them. Has a fight ever been stopped due to oblique kicks ? I'm not aware of any I could see more cause for concern if they were causing a rash of injuries.

[SimpleJack]

I've always felt that the oblique and elbow on the ground should be illegal.

All of you saying "it's a fight should REALLY reevaluate your definitions. It's a fight sport, with rules designed to protect the combatants where possible. Allowing strikes specifically designed to cause long-term injury or intentional cuts/loss of blood are not in the spirit of the sport.

[TapOut27]

Spinning elbow is almost always an illegal shot. The one that JJ hit on Bonnar was 100% illegal, yet the UFC puts it in all the promo's because it looks "cool"

[Flou]

I personally hate oblique kicks and would cheer if they got banned.
As to spinning elbow, if done properly it shouldn't be illegal. The problem is, it's hard to hit with it, without hitting someone in the back of the head. Just look at the Jones vs. Bonnar fight. They actually even fucking promote that illegal/dirty hit even though it clearly hits Bonnar in the back of the head. But I guess it's too much to ask from the refs that they would actually notice things like that during a fast paced match.

[initial_zen]

Originally Posted by optimusjoel

I understand where he is coming from with the oblique kicks, but the spinning elbows should always be legal when used properly.

I am getting flashbacks of bonnar getting the back of his head murdered by jones. The refs need to be more keen to when it's illegal.

[krayven]

I agree with him on the oblique kick. Save that for street fighting self defense or bouncers who are undersized in bar brawls




The elbow is hard to say. It's a highlight reel sure but he did crack Bonnar in the back of the head.


Rampage is the wrong guy to be raising this issue because it looks like sour grapes on his part big time

[SimpleJack]

Although rampage annoys me, he is bringing up a point many have stated.

[lwbrewer]

Page crying about a spinning elbow landing to the back of the head.
IT"S ALREADY ILLEGAL So would that make it double illeagal. Hits behind the ear are illegal now. So more of the complaint would be ref's not calling it right.

[the_dark_angel_4ever]

I think the problem with the spinning elbow JJ did to Bonnar was how it was set up.

Yes, it clearly hit him in the back of the head, no doubt about it, but when you're in a fight and the combatants are facing each other (or close to it), that elbow would end up being a clean strike to the jaw or side of the head. As soon as the fighter whose trying to defend against it move/turns his head/ducks, etc it's more likely to make it an illegal blow. The fighter attacking with a single strike, can't be held responsible when the fighter defending moves into a bad position.

It's like when a fighter is down and covering up, but turns his head in such a way that a legal strike becomes illegal and hits the back of the head. A single shot isn't really frowned upon, it's the followups that get people in trouble.

I'm not a JJ fan by anymeans, but that particular strike has never bothered me.

As for the kicks, I also don't really see the problem. I've been training MT for about 7 years and have run into a ton of guys that could severly damage a knee with a kick to the side of it. That's why you have to learn to defend it and check the kick. It's the same with the straight kick to the knee, you can check it in a similar fashion by just raising your leg a bit and taking your weight off it.