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[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

It's called dry humping because when people lay n pray they do very little damage. It's a technique that's great for nullifying your opponent and eaking by on points, and since point fighting is heavily frowned upon by fans of combat sports, people insult their style of fighting.

I wish they would implement a yellow card/stalling system. That way, instead of just standing the fighters back up for inaction, they can give a stalling warning; 2 warnings and you loose a point. This would apply to grapplers who make no attempt to pass guard/throw heavy punches, and for fighters who decide to fight like clay Guida in his last fight, Huston Alexander in his fight with Kimbo, or Silva in his fight with Maia after the 2nd round.


Implement a yellow card system, and eliminate octagon control. Instead make it 1 point per takedown, 2 for a slam, 1 for fully transitioning from full guard to side control, 1 point for full mount, 1 point for every 2 seconds you have your opponents back (for up to 3 points), 0.5 points for an escape, 2 for a reversal (encourages sweeps), nothing for a sub attempt (thats not effective aggression). Punches and kicks on the feet are scored as normal, and holding somebody against the cage doesn't net you any points unless you are throwing shots. I feel like that would make MMA much more entertaining/fair.

I actually have no problem with what is considered stalling. If your opponent isn't doing enough from the bottom to get you to want to advance positions then why take a risk? Why risk losing your already dominate position to get an even more dominate position if your opponent isn't throwing throwing up subs, striking from the bottom, or trying to get up? You are already winning so it should be their job to try to change that? It is mixed martial arts, if you suck at one of the martial arts then that should be exposed. It is a sport, entertaining people is just a side effect of it. I know somebody is gonna mention something about if it wasn't entertaining then nobody would watch, and the company would fail. That is true, but if all the fighters with gaping holes in their games got exposed, and eventually cut then it wouldn't be a problem.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

I actually have no problem with what is considered stalling. If your opponent isn't doing enough from the bottom to get you to want to advance positions then why take a risk? Why risk losing your already dominate position to get an even more dominate position if your opponent isn't throwing throwing up subs, striking from the bottom, or trying to get up? You are already winning so it should be their job to try to change that? It is mixed martial arts, if you suck at one of the martial arts then that should be exposed. It is a sport, entertaining people is just a side effect of it. I know somebody is gonna mention something about if it wasn't entertaining then nobody would watch, and the company would fail. That is true, but if all the fighters with gaping holes in their games got exposed, and eventually cut then it wouldn't be a problem.

The point is, they allocate way too many points to fighters who utilize techniques that don't do damage. Infact, it's heavily slanted in favor of people who lay n pray. Case in point, King no vs Mousassi. If you aren't advancing position or dealing out damage, then you should not get points.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

The point is, they allocate way too many points to fighters who utilize techniques that don't do damage. Infact, it's heavily slanted in favor of people who lay n pray. Case in point, King no vs Mousassi. If you aren't advancing position or dealing out damage, then you should not get points.

It's not like the guys that are getting "dry humped" are doing a ton of damage from bottom. Tie goes to the guy on top.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

It's not like the guys that are getting "dry humped" are doing a ton of damage from bottom. Tie goes to the guy on top.

Most don't do any damage from the bottom simply because damage from the bottom doesn't count for shit. Most spend the whole time trying to get back to their feet. This is because of the octagon control rules.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

Most don't do any damage from the bottom simply because damage from the bottom doesn't count for shit. Most spend the whole time trying to get back to their feet. This is because of the octagon control rules.

I guess this is where we disagree because I am fine with the wrestler getting the nod in these situations, and feel no need for rule modification.

[MIZjitsZOU]

Guard is a neutral position, Or should be considered one in my opinion.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by nbm02ss

- Jon Fitch.

But he can stop it....

I didnt take this as Jones "concerned" about Chael winnig that way. It seems he was saying that it is his only concern as far as chael's game goes... Jones is a very good wrestler, he will probably put Chael on his back when/if Sonnen gets inside...

It will be very different from Anderson or other Sonnen opponents... Jones will not just be vigorously trying to defend the takedown, he will go for some of his own.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by MIZjitsZOU

Guard is a neutral position, Or should be considered one in my opinion.

I have never seen it that way, but I resepect your opinion and knowledge so I will go on in this thread considering it neutral. Even if it is neutral, the guy that got the takedown should get credit for deciding where the fight goes via offensive maneuver (takedown). I know some people don't like how much weight octagon control carries, but once again I have no problem with it. I will always say that if you don't want taken down then learn to sprawl. If you do something to neutralize one of the martial arts by changing a rule then, in my opinion, it's not really mixed martial arts.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

I have never seen it that way, but I resepect your opinion and knowledge so I will go on in this thread considering it neutral. Even if it is neutral, the guy that got the takedown should get credit for deciding where the fight goes via offensive maneuver (takedown). I know some people don't like how much weight octagon control carries, but once again I have no problem with it. I will always say that if you don't want taken down then learn to sprawl. If you do something to neutralize one of the martial arts by changing a rule then, in my opinion, it's not really mixed martial arts.

Stalling rules are an intricate part of both wrestling and jujitsu, so saying that they would neutralize one of the martial arts seems to be without reason. Unless you intend to argue that they shouldn't exist in their respective sports either...

[sproggy]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

It's not like the guys that are getting "dry humped" are doing a ton of damage from bottom. Tie goes to the guy on top.

Funny thing about this is. The example he used the guy on top was getting beat up yet he still won.