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[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

For me, Rockhold would be a really excellent fight for Anderson. He's photogenic and has an extremely exciting style, as well as carrying the cache of being the SF MW champion and his wins over Jacare and Kennedy are better IMO than any UFC challenger as of now. I think Rockhold has a really competative chance against Anderson, he cuts a sick pace and mixes up really good kickboxing with really good grappling.

I'd prefer Weidman get a tune-up fight if only because he'll be coming of a long layoff and it would probably be best for everyone's business if he gets his name a little more exposure and face-time before he goes against Anderson.....

I'd also be down for Cung Le Superfight....IF they do it in an Asian market where they can pack over 60k to 100k into a stadium, the spectacle alone would be priceless. The standup should be crazy despite Cung's failings and it would be a fun, albeit vanity fight for Anderson.

[Pasha K]

If they don't make Anderson vs Rockhold, why not make Anderson vs Jacare?
Jacare has won 7 of his last 8 bouts, has awesome BJJ and his striking looks really good.

Or bring Mousasi to MW and give him the title shot.

There is also Lombard, he was supossed to face Anderson if he defeated Boestch. He looked very bad in that fight and got robbed by the judges. But he looked like himself against Palhares. Him vs Anderson would be a great fight.

There are at least 5 much better options than Cung Le lol

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by H0SS

Dude what are you talking about? You didn't even really address Anchor's points.

Shields, the Strikeforce MW champion, didn't get an immediate title shot and it was obvious that he wasn't the number one contender when he shit the bed against Kampmann (but he was gifted a decision).

You completely ignored the fact that Hendo didn't get an immediate LHW title shot, even though he was the Strikeforce LHW champion AND had just been the first person to KO Fedor.

Pettis, WEC LW champion, didn't get an immediate title shot, and proved he wasn't ready when he lost his next fight to Clay Guida.

Overeem was the Strikeforce, Dream, and K1 HW champion. The fact that he didn't finish the Strikeforce HW tourney doesn't mean he lost the title. The tournament would only have crowned a new champion if Overeem had lost the belt to someone.

Condit was a WEC WW champion who didn't get an immediate title shot, and ended up losing in his UFC debut. He had to work his way up to a shot.

Scott Smith was a WEC LHW champion who didn't get an immediate title shot. He ended up losing his UFC debut fight as well.

Steve Cantwell was also a WEC LHW champion who didn't get a title shot. He came over and went 1-5 in the UFC.

Mike Pyle was also a WEC WW champion who wasn't gifted a title shot.

Hector Lombard was the AFC, CFC, and Bellator MW champion... guess what. He didn't get an immediate title shot. And he lost his debut fight to Boetsch.

History has shown that most of these B league "champions" don't fare too well when they first enter the UFC.

Luke Rockhold is not the Strikeforce MW champion. He WAS the Strikeforce MW champion. He fights in the UFC now. In the UFC, Anderson Silva is the MW champion.

I feel ya however bringing up other champions that got fucked over doesn't justify the move. I know this is an analogy far removed from subject but imagine if someone tried to use a similar approach toward justifying slavery....

Originally Posted by H0SS

There is no dispute.

2 champions 1 divison = disputed belts.
There is simply no way around it and its a problem.


As always thanks for taking the time to make such a well thought out post H0ss. You really have a stellar memory or you're just that passionate about MMA.

[Bork_Lazer]

I don't know who should get a title shot, but as a fan I really have very little interest in the Weidman fight at this point in his career (without getting another big win). I have no reason to believe that fight would go any different then the Okami fight.

PS Silva doesnt struggle with wrestlers... he struggled with A wrestler in 1 of their 2 fights. Henderson Okami Marquardt all good wrestlers and all were finished in 2 rounds or less.

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

I feel ya however bringing up other champions that got fucked over doesn't justify the move. I know this is an analogy far removed from subject but imagine if someone tried to use a similar approach toward justifying slavery....



2 champions 1 divison = disputed belts.
There is simply no way around it and its a problem.


As always thanks for taking the time to make such a well thought out post H0ss. You really have a stellar memory or you're just that passionate about MMA.

I think you're missing my point. There is no reason to think Rockhold is getting fucked over. History has shown that the vast majority of champions from other organizations don't fare too well when they enter the UFC, because they aren't used to the high level of competition.

Moreover, we don't have two champions in one division. Luke Rockhold's Strikeforce MW title meant that he was the best MW within the Strikeforce organization. There is no Strikeforce anymore. He is now a UFC fighter. His title doesn't mean he is the best MW fighter in the UFC. That's what Anderson's title means.

There is no dispute.

P.S. - I think everyone who takes the time to post on this board would be considered passionate about MMA.

[TheDoucheyWun]

Fedorlei I am hating you right now for wanting this Rockhold fight.. Probs one of the 1st times I have ever disagreed with thoughts of yours

[optimusjoel]

Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer

I don't know who should get a title shot, but as a fan I really have very little interest in the Weidman fight at this point in his career (without getting another big win). I have no reason to believe that fight would go any different then the Okami fight.

PS Silva doesnt struggle with wrestlers... he struggled with A wrestler in 1 of their 2 fights. Henderson Okami Marquardt all good wrestlers and all were finished in 2 rounds or less.

Anderson has been dominated on the ground quite a few times, even while he was in the ufc. You should really go back and watch some his old fights from pride or even early ufc.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by H0SS

I think you're missing my point. There is no reason to think Rockhold is getting fucked over. History has shown that the vast majority of champions from other organizations don't fare too well when they enter the UFC, because they aren't used to the high level of competition.

I understand where you are trying to go with this but I think that assumption isn't fair to Rockhold and should in noway deminish the importance and integrity of his title. If the roles were reversed and Silva went to SF mw with the UFC title he would equally deserve 1st dibs at Rockholds belt.

Ofcourse I say all this with the assumption that the SF fighters are equally skilled. For example I wouldn't make the assumption that Shogun is better than Mousasi or that Cain V is better than Josh Barnett.

Originally Posted by H0SS

Moreover, we don't have two champions in one division. Luke Rockhold's Strikeforce MW title meant that he was the best MW within the Strikeforce organization. There is no Strikeforce anymore. He is now a UFC fighter. His title doesn't mean he is the best MW fighter in the UFC. That's what Anderson's title means.

In the eyes of fight fans Luke Rockhold is still coming into the UFC as the last SF mw champion that never lost his title. I view the whole situation like Hendo Vs Rampage and we all know how that turned out.

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

I understand where you are trying to go with this but I think that assumption isn't fair to Rockhold and should in noway deminish the importance and integrity of his title. If the roles were reversed and Silva went to SF mw with the UFC title he would equally deserve 1st dibs at Rockholds belt.

Ofcourse I say all this with the assumption that the SF fighters are equally skilled. For example I wouldn't make the assumption that Shogun is better than Mousasi or that Cain V is better than Josh Barnett.



In the eyes of fight fans Luke Rockhold is still coming into the UFC as the last SF mw champion that never lost his title. I view the whole situation like Hendo Vs Rampage and we all know how that turned out.

Hendo came from a company that was perceived to be on the same level as the UFC.

I guess I just don't put too much stock in Strikeforce titles because of the company's lack of depth and low entry standards.

Remember when Overeem won the Strikeforce HW title... and then didn't defend it for 2 and a half years?

[Bork_Lazer]

Originally Posted by optimusjoel

Anderson has been dominated on the ground quite a few times, even while he was in the ufc. You should really go back and watch some his old fights from pride or even early ufc.

I should have specified that I was referring to his fights in the UFC. So although I have seen all his fights in Pride you are right I would have to re-watch a few to make sure. But as of his UFC career, he didnt make it out of the 2nd round until his 8th fight and that was with Cote. Im not trying to be a smart ass here, I really cant think of a wrestler who gave him trouble other than Sonnen.