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[H0SS]

Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer

I should have specified that I was referring to his fights in the UFC. So although I have seen all his fights in Pride you are right I would have to re-watch a few to make sure. But as of his UFC career, he didnt make it out of the 2nd round until his 8th fight and that was with Cote. Im not trying to be a smart ass here, I really cant think of a wrestler who gave him trouble other than Sonnen.

Hendo also won the first round against Anderson.

[Goremire]

Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer

I should have specified that I was referring to his fights in the UFC. So although I have seen all his fights in Pride you are right I would have to re-watch a few to make sure. But as of his UFC career, he didnt make it out of the 2nd round until his 8th fight and that was with Cote. Im not trying to be a smart ass here, I really cant think of a wrestler who gave him trouble other than Sonnen.

Travis Lutter also had some success on the ground in their non-title fight. He got Silva down (I believe it was with an ankle pick) and quickly moved to mount. He dropped some good punches and then ruined it by going for the sloppiest armbar in recorded history.

He was going ok in the second until Silva cracked him with an upkick that dropped him neatly into the triangle that ultimately finished the fight.

EDIT: sorry, this discussion was about wrestlers and Lutter is/was more of a BJJ guy.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by H0SS

Hendo came from a company that was perceived to be on the same level as the UFC.

I guess I just don't put too much stock in Strikeforce titles because of the company's lack of depth and low entry standards.

Remember when Overeem won the Strikeforce HW title... and then didn't defend it for 2 and a half years?

Yea I remember that situation and thought it bizzare he was able to pull that off for so long but then again SF did allow it to happen. My problem is I probably put too much stock behind the integrity of titles. I feel like every champion that comes to the UFC immediately gets devalued because essentially fans are viewing them as being a big fish in a small pond.


I also have a gut feeling that both GSP and Silva are going to drop their titles within their next 2 fights. So I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Silva lose to Rockhold or Vitor. I think GSP is going to beat Nick and lose to Hendricks.

[Bork_Lazer]

Originally Posted by Goremire

Travis Lutter also had some success on the ground in their non-title fight. He got Silva down (I believe it was with an ankle pick) and quickly moved to mount. He dropped some good punches and then ruined it by going for the sloppiest armbar in recorded history.

He was going ok in the second until Silva cracked him with an upkick that dropped him neatly into the triangle that ultimately finished the fight.

EDIT: sorry, this discussion was about wrestlers and Lutter is/was more of a BJJ guy.

@HOSS I just rewatched that first round, first half of the round Anderson did reallly well with kicks, second half Henderson was on top on the ground, I would say both did minimal damage. Sure Id give that round to Henderson but that was more of a lay n pray.

You are right Lutter did well on the ground, but like you said hes a JJ guy.

I would say Sonnen has big trouble with BJJ guys as he a lot of times ends up subbed. Saying Silva has trouble with wrestlers I think is a bit exaggerated.

[Cat--Smasher]

White: Cung Le talk is typical Ed Soares, Anderson Silva craziness

White: Cung Le talk is typical Ed Soares, Anderson Silva craziness - Mixed Martial Arts News

At the UFC on FOX 6 post fight press conference, UFC president Dana White responded.

“This is typical Anderson Silva, Ed Soares craziness,” said White. “Every f---ing time there’s a fight, he wants to fight ‘Mighty Mouse’ Johnson. Then he wants to fight this guy and that guy. It’s always the same deal.

"It always happens. ‘I absolutely will not fight Chael Sonnen. He doesn’t deserve the title. I’m not doing this and I’m not doing that.’ This is what we do.”

“We’re waiting on something and want to see if this thing pans out. When we’re ready to announce it, we’ll announce it. Silva will defend his title, but it won’t be a super fight.”

Chris Weidman
(+) Weidman is the #1 contender by most accounts.
(-) Weidman is recovering from surgery with an anticipated mid 2012 return. Silva unenthusiastic about Weidman.

Luke Rockhold
(+) Strikeforce middleweight champion; bout would be billed as champion vs. champion.
(-) Not widely known to the general UFC fan base. Might be best for him to have a UFC fight first.

Rashad Evans
(+) Massive name recognition. Fights Antonio Rogerio Nogueira at UFC 156 on Feb. 2, and might drop to 185 thereafter.
(-) Started in the UFC at Heavyweight. If he beats Lil Nog, can he make 185?

Hector Lombard
(+) Had an unparalleled 28 fight win streak.
(-) Lost to Tim Boetsch, who in turn lost his next fight, to Costas Philippou. Fights Yushin Okami at UFC on FUEL TV 8, and will likely have to win one or two more to qualify.

Georges St-Pierre
(+) SUPERFIGHT
(-) GSP has to beat Nick Diaz at UFC 158 in March first, and then move up a division, a move he says would be permanent.

Jon Jones
(+) SUPER SUPERFIGHT
(-) Silva don't want to.

A light heavyweight
(+) Silva has moved up to light heavyweight before for fan pleasing paydays.
(-) Silva's legacy is at Middleweight.

Chael Sonnen
(+) Sonnen doubtless feels a rubbermatch is in order, once he gets by Jon Jones.
(-) Winning every second of every round until you don't is not a W.
(--) Jon Jones.

Cung Le
(+) "Cung Le is coming off of three wins or something like that where he's got a little bit of a name," said Silva's manager Ed Soares. "I mean, it's really hard in that division because it's so evenly matched. All the opponents, on any given day, one of those guys can beat the other."
(-) Really?

UFC and Anderson Silva not ready to commit to Chris Weidman title fight
http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/0...an-title-fight

"Weidman and his manager sat down and said, 'We want Anderson Silva. We want to fight him. I'm going to beat him. I'm going to be the next world champion,'" UFC President Dana White said. "I said, 'OK. We'll call you in a few weeks.'"

However, Silva and Co., including manager Ed Soares, have expressed little desire in a matchup they feel is unmarketable.

"This is typical Anderson Silva-Ed Soares craziness," White said. "Every f---ing time there's a fight, he wants to fight 'Mighty Mouse' Johnson. Then he wants to fight this guy and that guy. It's always the same deal. It always happen. 'I absolutely will not fight Chael Sonnen. He doesn't deserve the title.' This is what we do."

Weidman, a two-time NCAA Division I All-American wrestler, joined the UFC with a late-notice opportunity and a meager 4-0 record. However, the 28-year-old has quickly emerged as a contender following wins over Alessio Sakara, Jesse Bongfeldt, Tom Lawlor, Demian Maia and Munoz.

Weidman was slated to fight Boetsch in a featured bout this past month at UFC 155. However, a shoulder injury ultimately forced him out of the bout and onto the sidelines. He underwent successful surgery for a torn labrum and rotator cuff, an AC joint separation and a slight ligament tear back in November.

Upon his return, Weidman said he still wants Silva. But though White has suggested the champ's next challenge will come from the middleweight division, it won't necessarily be Weidman.

"We're waiting on something and want to see if this thing pans out," White said. "When we're ready to announce it, we'll announce it. [Silva] will defend his title, but it won't be a super fight."

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

My magic eightball says Rashad Evans will get dibs if he beats Lil Nog.

[ckauffman28]

besides GSP and Jones, Silva has nothing to gain from fighting anyone else and everything to loose... I say have Weidman vs Rockhold and have silva fight the winner

[FedortheCan]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

My magic eightball says Rashad Evans will get dibs if he beats Lil Nog.

Im not going to lie, this fight would be epic. I think Rashad COULD win and that it would be a very even, competitive fight. I think I would actually prefer this fight over Silva vs say Weidman or Bones/GSP

[Supe]

Originally Posted by FedortheCan

Im not going to lie, this fight would be epic. I think Rashad COULD win and that it would be a very even, competitive fight. I think I would actually prefer this fight over Silva vs say Weidman or Bones/GSP

Silva makes Rashad look stupid

[FedortheCan]

Originally Posted by Supe

Silva makes Rashad look stupid

I will sig bet your ass on that. If this fight ever happens and if Rashad does NOT win... he loses via decision