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[Bork_Lazer]

Originally Posted by rivethead

You're trying to figure out why. Nobody knows why. You can't prove it, anymore than someone who hates him--and I don't--can try to prove that he's afraid.
rh

How am I the one that is trying to figure out what that means, when you are the one that brought it up by saying minimally it means this...

Originally Posted by rivethead

There is a school of thought that the champion fights the best available, not the best money. There is an idea that whenever the president of an org says someone is #1 contender--and dana said that about Weidman--that guy gets a title shot.rh

There is a school of thought that when a fighter is scheduled for a fight in which the winner gets a title shot and then such fighter misses the fight due to injury, he doesn't necessarily get the title fight in his next match. He might get it, but he certainly isn't entitled to it, he is not being robbed by not getting it, how could he be, when he was already scheduled for a fight before his shot??? I think that fact gives Silva the right to say, hey I dont think this guy has earned his shot yet, thats it, just as much as Weidman has the right to ask for it, Silva has the right to voice his opinion.

Originally Posted by rivethead

"fade into obscurity" with a couple losses.

In 3 posts already I have said that my wording on that was a bit too strong. The point I'm making with that, was that history repeats itself. Too often does Silva beat someone and then that fights credibility goes out the window. So if Weidman gets one or two more big wins before fighting Silva that fight would carry a lot more weight, and if he loses to Silva, people then would not be able to discredit the fight by saying that Weidman was another guy in Silva's padded resume... I still stand by that...

Originally Posted by rivethead

I wouldn't call Anderson's resume padded anymore than I'd call Fedor's resume padded. But there are some lowlights on both.
rh

I don't know how padded you think Fedor's resume is. Would you say Okami was a padded win? Also, is GSPs resume padded?

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer

How am I the one that is trying to figure out what that means, when you are the one that brought it up by saying minimally it means this...

when you wrote this

Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer

I think its pretty straight forward that Silva gains nothing out of fighting Weidman and that is why he doesn't want the fight. I see no other reason for him not to want that fight.

you were literally trying to figure out why Anderson doesn't want the fight.

I've said repeatedly, I don't care why he doesn't want it. Nobody but Anderson himself is equipped to try to explain why. So I'm going to focus on what, which is factual, rather than why. I don't need to worry about what some slackjawed fanboy thinks, I'll stick with what actually happened and focus on that.

Does that dumb it down enough for you?

There is a school of thought that when a fighter is scheduled for a fight in which the winner gets a title shot and then such fighter misses the fight due to injury blahblahblah.

Unsurprisingly, you're missing the point.

I'm not trying to argue that Weidman deserves the shot. I'm saying it's shocking that before he was offered a shot, before he even said anything like "give me a shot with Anderson;" soares and others in Anderson's mismanagement team had Chris's name in their mouths. That's surprising. Then what propels that even beyond surprising is when Anderson himself states that he has no intention of fighting him. That, to me, is shocking. That, to me, is an illustration of the impact Weidman has made, and his potential.

I don't know how padded you think Fedor's resume is. Would you say Okami was a padded win? Also, is GSPs resume padded?

I don't think Fedor's resume is padded. I think Georges has beaten better opponents than Silva has, and--until recently--he'd done it without melodramatic diva antics.

The Okami fight was the best win Anderson has had in almost 5 years.

rh

[Bork_Lazer]

Originally Posted by rivethead

when you wrote this

you were literally trying to figure out why Anderson doesn't want the fight.

I've said repeatedly, I don't care why he doesn't want it. Nobody but Anderson himself is equipped to try to explain why. So I'm going to focus on what, which is factual, rather than why. I don't need to worry about what some slackjawed fanboy thinks, I'll stick with what actually happened and focus on that.

Does that dumb it down enough for you?


Unsurprisingly, you're missing the point.

I'm not trying to argue that Weidman deserves the shot. I'm saying it's shocking that before he was offered a shot, before he even said anything like "give me a shot with Anderson;" soares and others in Anderson's mismanagement team had Chris's name in their mouths. That's surprising. Then what propels that even beyond surprising is when Anderson himself states that he has no intention of fighting him. That, to me, is shocking. That, to me, is an illustration of the impact Weidman has made, and his potential.


I don't think Fedor's resume is padded. I think Georges has beaten better opponents than Silva has, and--until recently--he'd done it without melodramatic diva antics.

The Okami fight was the best win Anderson has had in almost 5 years.

rh

Dumb it down for me, why cause you used big insulting words like fanboy lol you crack me up kid, you are starting to sound desperate on this one. You literally can't say that you only care about what rather than why when you were the one who said "minimally it means..." when you say "minimally it means" you are literally going beyond the what and speculating as to the why and that is why I came back with what I said which was to simply illustrate that there could be another why and that your why was not the only why. I will gladly dumb down this last paragraph if you can't get it.

"
The Okami fight was the best win Anderson has had in almost 5 years.
"

That to me just makes it sound like Silva took your lunch money when you were a kid. I didn't want to jump to that conclusion before but that to me makes it pretty clear. You simply don't like Silva as a champ for whatever reason it might be and that clouds your judgement as to how good he is, and you desperately want Weidman to do what Sonnen couldn't do in 2 fights. I know you said almost 5 years, but lets look at who he beat in the last 5 years...

almost exactly 5 years ago
Dan Henderson - One of the most decorated fighters of all time

Forrest Griffin - Former LHW champion

Demian Maia - A beast, did you see what he did to Fitch, he didnt learn how to do that after the Silva fight, he was always that good, Silva just made it look easy.

Chael Sonnen - He beat Okami which led Okami to go train with him

Vitor Belfort - I wont even get into why he is more decorated than Okami.

You call me a fanboy, but Im not even one saying that Weidman shouldn't get the shot. I have posted time and time again that if most people only think he should get it out of a process of elimination, then that right there makes it clear that he isn't the only one that could get it. Rockhold has just as good a claim. And I think Rashad would too had he won Saturday night. You however sound like a Weidman fanboy, by being blinded to the fact that he would not be robbed by not getting the shot and having to fight one more fight.

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer

Dumb it down for me, why cause you used big insulting words like fanboy lol you crack me up kid, you are starting to sound desperate on this one. You literally can't say that you only care about what rather than why when you were the one who said "minimally it means..." when you say "minimally it means" you are literally going beyond the what and speculating as to the why and that is why I came back with what I said which was to simply illustrate that there could be another why and that your why was not the only why. I will gladly dumb down this last paragraph if you can't get it.

"
The Okami fight was the best win Anderson has had in almost 5 years.
"

That to me just makes it sound like Silva took your lunch money when you were a kid. I didn't want to jump to that conclusion before but that to me makes it pretty clear. You simply don't like Silva as a champ for whatever reason it might be and that clouds your judgement as to how good he is, and you desperately want Weidman to do what Sonnen couldn't do in 2 fights. I know you said almost 5 years, but lets look at who he beat in the last 5 years...

almost exactly 5 years ago
Dan Henderson - One of the most decorated fighters of all time

Forrest Griffin - Former LHW champion

Demian Maia - A beast, did you see what he did to Fitch, he didnt learn how to do that after the Silva fight, he was always that good, Silva just made it look easy.

Chael Sonnen - He beat Okami which led Okami to go train with him

Vitor Belfort - I wont even get into why he is more decorated than Okami.

You call me a fanboy, but Im not even one saying that Weidman shouldn't get the shot. I have posted time and time again that if most people only think he should get it out of a process of elimination, then that right there makes it clear that he isn't the only one that could get it. Rockhold has just as good a claim. And I think Rashad would too had he won Saturday night. You however sound like a Weidman fanboy, by being blinded to the fact that he would not be robbed by not getting the shot and having to fight one more fight.

lol, what the shit did I just read? Did you spend most of school in a toilet?

Riv said:

"Minimally, that means Chris has caught the eye of the champion with just 5 fights in the UFC, and the champ is not eager to face him."

How can you not understand the difference between 'what' and 'why'? He even broke it down for you in a follow up post. He already won this battle. You tried to go toe to toe with one of the top posters in the forum, and lost.

PS - If you keep this up, you'll end up like FCK... found behind some dumpsters, laying face-down in a puddle of AIDS.

PPS - And did you really call old man Riv "kid"?

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer

...when you say "minimally it means" you are literally going beyond the what and speculating as to the why...

No, I'm not.

I'm interpreting what happened. Not why. Big difference, that seems to be lost on you.

you desperately want Weidman to do what Sonnen couldn't do in 2 fights

...I'm not sure where you're getting this desperation. I've said Weidman is the best option right now, far better than a vanity fight with Georges, Nick Diaz or Cung Le. But I've also stated repeatedly that I think Anderson is heavily favored, and beats Chris 7 out of 10 times.

But I guess only a person who can't tell the difference between "what happened" and "why something may have happened" can interpret that as desperation.

I actually have tremendous respect for Anderson's skills. I think he's one of the best fighters ever. I just wish he'd ditch his management, stop acting like he just got elected prom queen and start doing his job to the level which he's obviously capable.


On Anderson's fights over the last 5 years:
Okami was the most complete MW he faced since Henderson, and the most solidly ranked. Okami is a better grappler than sonnen, with much, much better striking. Anderson simply pwned him, and that's what makes it his best win, in my opinion.

I don't really care about the cherry picked wins at LHW. If he's MW champion, I want him to defend the MW belt. That's his job.

Maia was very softly ranked at the time of his title shot--he'd been KO'd just9 months before it, and beat an unranked Miller to get on a 1-win-streak to earn the shot. Moreover, the fight with Anderson sucked. Anderson not only behaved like a complete asshole, he actually managed to lose rounds when he gassed, not from fighting, but from playing air guitar. Maia remains one of the worst wins on Anderson's resume, even worse than facing Irvin, who was actively addicted to narcotics when they fought. At least with Irvin, he went out and put him away instantly.

[QUOTE]You call me a fanboy, but Im not even one saying that Weidman shouldn't get the shot. I have posted time and time again that if most people only think he should get it out of a process of elimination, then that right there makes it clear that he isn't the only one that could get it. Rockhold has just as good a claim. [QUOTE]
I've said for months that Rockhold had a claim, and the both Weidman and Rockhold should be lightyears ahead of Bisping.

And I think Rashad would too had he won Saturday night.

Yes, because having exactly zero wins at MW--ever--makes a firm case for him getting a shot. That makes almost as much sense as thinking I hate Anderson: saying he's one of the best fighters ever, saying he's a huge favorite over Weidman, etc. That's pure hate, because he took my lunch money.

You however sound like a Weidman fanboy, by being blinded to the fact that he would not be robbed by not getting the shot and having to fight one more fight.

Anderson should be facing Weidman or Rockhold in May. They shouldn't be fighting each other, and he shouldn't be facing Nick Diaz or Cung Le or whatever crack-smoked figment his management comes up with next.

If Weidman gets another shot and wins, he's actually better prepared to face Anderson, and shakes some ring rust, as well as gets the opportunity to build his name into a bit more buy-rate cache.

I don't really care either way, as long as Anderson is defending, soon, against a legitimate opponent...to me, that's either Weidman or Rockhold before July.

rh

[W.Silva>C.Norris]

Originally Posted by H0SS

PS - If you keep this up, you'll end up like FCK... found behind some dumpsters, laying face-down in a puddle of AIDS.

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by W.Silva>C.Norris

BOOM HEADSHOT



Bork's lack of grammar annoys me too much and renders his argument worthless to my eyes.

[H0SS]

Yeah, I don't know if he'll show his face in this thread again...

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by H0SS

Yeah, I don't know if he'll show his face in this thread again...

Emotional arguments generally fail when faced with fact.

[Luc1an]

Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer

Dumb it down for me, why cause you used big insulting words like fanboy lol you crack me up kid, you are starting to sound desperate on this one. You literally can't say that you only care about what rather than why when you were the one who said "minimally it means..." when you say "minimally it means" you are literally going beyond the what and speculating as to the why and that is why I came back with what I said which was to simply illustrate that there could be another why and that your why was not the only why. I will gladly dumb down this last paragraph if you can't get it.

"
The Okami fight was the best win Anderson has had in almost 5 years.
"

That to me just makes it sound like Silva took your lunch money when you were a kid. I didn't want to jump to that conclusion before but that to me makes it pretty clear. You simply don't like Silva as a champ for whatever reason it might be and that clouds your judgement as to how good he is, and you desperately want Weidman to do what Sonnen couldn't do in 2 fights. I know you said almost 5 years, but lets look at who he beat in the last 5 years...

almost exactly 5 years ago
Dan Henderson - One of the most decorated fighters of all time

Forrest Griffin - Former LHW champion

Demian Maia - A beast, did you see what he did to Fitch, he didnt learn how to do that after the Silva fight, he was always that good, Silva just made it look easy.

Chael Sonnen - He beat Okami which led Okami to go train with him

Vitor Belfort - I wont even get into why he is more decorated than Okami.

You call me a fanboy, but Im not even one saying that Weidman shouldn't get the shot. I have posted time and time again that if most people only think he should get it out of a process of elimination, then that right there makes it clear that he isn't the only one that could get it. Rockhold has just as good a claim. And I think Rashad would too had he won Saturday night. You however sound like a Weidman fanboy, by being blinded to the fact that he would not be robbed by not getting the shot and having to fight one more fight.

k, I almost had a fucking aneurysm reading that.