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[optimusjoel]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

Evans is a much better wrestler than Chael IMO, but he is much more cautious than Chael. Chaels wrestling works for him because he isn't scared of taking shots while trying to get inside. Evans tends to try and strike more, and most of his takedowns come from the center of the octagon. I think Silva will use the same gameplan from his past 3 fights and just chill against the cage.

You really think he would allow Evans to try and get strikes off on him while he's chilling against the cage? Plus that gameplan only works for fighters who come out over anxious like his last 3 opponents. It would look upsurd if he just backs up against the cage from the center of the octagon without Rashad coming at him lol. I think we will see the more traditional Silva gameplan of waiting to counterstrike.

[The Donosaur]

It amazes me how anyone can knock Chris Weidman's opponents. I guess I'm the only one that remembers things like him beating former middleweight title challenger/currently flying up the welterweight rankings contender Damien Maia, destroying a guy who was knocking on the door of a title shot in Mark Munoz (oh wait Bisping called him fat, so he sucks, disregard this one I guess), he is 9-0, he beat Sakara and Lawlor (not easy fights), and he took several fights on extremely short notice. I think that is more impressive that beating little nog (probably), losing to Bones, and beating Phil Davis, Tito, and rampage in his last five fights.

How are new guys supposed to get title shots if the same old guys keep getting them based on the strength of their whole resume. Sports are alot of "what have you done for me lately", and that is the way it should be.

[0mega1]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

It amazes me how anyone can knock Chris Weidman's opponents. I guess I'm the only one that remembers things like him beating former middleweight title challenger/currently flying up the welterweight rankings contender Damien Maia, destroying a guy who was knocking on the door of a title shot in Mark Munoz (oh wait Bisping called him fat, so he sucks, disregard this one I guess), he is 9-0, he beat Sakara and Lawlor (not easy fights), and he took several fights on extremely short notice. I think that is more impressive that beating little nog (probably), losing to Bones, and beating Phil Davis, Tito, and rampage in his last five fights.

How are new guys supposed to get title shots if the same old guys keep getting them based on the strength of their whole resume. Sports are alot of "what have you done for me lately", and that is the way it should be.

I think the best way for young up and comers to to gain popularity/recognition from casual fans is to beat a former champ or a really popular fighter. Weidman hasnt done that yet; if he were to beat a Wanderlai Silva, Brian Stann, Bisping, Vitor, franklin (maybe not so much now), Cung le (after that Franklin fight); then his stock would be a lot higher.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by optimusjoel

You really think he would allow Evans to try and get strikes off on him while he's chilling against the cage? Plus that gameplan only works for fighters who come out over anxious like his last 3 opponents. It would look upsurd if he just backs up against the cage from the center of the octagon without Rashad coming at him lol. I think we will see the more traditional Silva gameplan of waiting to counterstrike.

In his past 3 fights, Silva has hung out by the fence and picked his opponents appart with strikes as they try to get near him. Since wrestlers have the most success taking down silva in the middle of the octagon, silva will more than likely utilize the same gameplan. Silva will wait to counter strike with his back near the cage, that way he can avoid being taken down by a blast double, and he can walk walk if he gets taken down.

This is my prediction anyways.

[AnchorPunch]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

Sports are alot of "what have you done for me lately", and that is the way it should be.

That's a damn perfect line.

Originally Posted by 0mega1

I think the best way for young up and comers to to gain popularity/recognition from casual fans is to beat a former champ or a really popular fighter. Weidman hasnt done that yet; if he were to beat a Wanderlai Silva, Brian Stann, Bisping, Vitor, franklin (maybe not so much now), Cung le (after that Franklin fight); then his stock would be a lot higher.

And yet Munoz should be higher ranked than Wandy, Stann, and Franklin. Hell, at the time Weidman and title shot became a topic, Vitor's recent wins were only over Franklin and Sexyama.

Although I get what you're saying and agree that casual fan recognition probably requires that type of win, it's pretty clear that it has little to do with real success.

Originally Posted by CtGreat

In his past 3 fights, Silva has hung out by the fence and picked his opponents appart with strikes as they try to get near him. Since wrestlers have the most success taking down silva in the middle of the octagon, silva will more than likely utilize the same gameplan. Silva will wait to counter strike with his back near the cage, that way he can avoid being taken down by a blast double, and he can walk walk if he gets taken down.

This is my prediction anyways.

I could see that. What makes it really interesting to me is the question: Is Silva defining a new technique that will be widely adopted? Kind of like when guys first starting practicing wall walking to get up from a takedown...

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by AnchorPunch

I could see that. What makes it really interesting to me is the question: Is Silva defining a new technique that will be widely adopted? Kind of like when guys first starting practicing wall walking to get up from a takedown...

I think its a brilliant strategy. When you take away a wrestlers ability to gain momentum, it makes achieving a takedown 10x more difficult. Wrestlers like GSP, Sonnen, Evans, etc; most of their takedowns are achieved more towards the center of the octagon. So being against the cage makes it almost impossible to obtain a highcrotch, power double, etc since you cant drive your opponent backwards or sideways as easily.

I would like to see more fighters try to adopt this technique

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

It amazes me how anyone can knock Chris Weidman's opponents. I guess I'm the only one that remembers things like him beating former middleweight title challenger/currently flying up the welterweight rankings contender Damien Maia, destroying a guy who was knocking on the door of a title shot in Mark Munoz (oh wait Bisping called him fat, so he sucks, disregard this one I guess), he is 9-0, he beat Sakara and Lawlor (not easy fights), and he took several fights on extremely short notice. I think that is more impressive that beating little nog (probably), losing to Bones, and beating Phil Davis, Tito, and rampage in his last five fights.

How are new guys supposed to get title shots if the same old guys keep getting them based on the strength of their whole resume. Sports are alot of "what have you done for me lately", and that is the way it should be.

They do so by paying their dues like Bisping and taking on high caliber fights. Wake me up when Weidman fights Vitor, Sonnen, Hendo, Rashad, Okami. Yanno guys that actually pose a threat to his skillset?

Weidman needs a win over another big name. Beating a raggedy assed Munoz isn't enough.

[W.Silva>C.Norris]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

They do so by paying their dues like Bisping and taking on high caliber fights. Wake me up when Weidman fights Vitor, Sonnen, Hendo, Rashad, Okami. Yanno guys that actually pose a threat to his skillset?

Weidman needs a win over another big name. Beating a raggedy assed Munoz isn't enough.

funny how you use bisping as an example, then list 5 fighters as people you think Weidman needs to beat at least one of to get a shot.. Which of those fighters did Bisping beat to "pay his dues"?

Way to keep talking out of your a**.

[AnchorPunch]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

I think its a brilliant strategy. When you take away a wrestlers ability to gain momentum, it makes achieving a takedown 10x more difficult. Wrestlers like GSP, Sonnen, Evans, etc; most of their takedowns are achieved more towards the center of the octagon. So being against the cage makes it almost impossible to obtain a highcrotch, power double, etc since you cant drive your opponent backwards or sideways as easily.

I would like to see more fighters try to adopt this technique

I hadn't really thought about how bad the leverage is, even for a high crotch, when your pressing into the cage. I like this man, would love to see more guys try it too. Though I do think Silva's muay thai is key here - as he's known as being very strong in the clinch, something that I think vastly improves his TDD against the cage.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

They do so by paying their dues like Bisping and taking on high caliber fights. Wake me up when Weidman fights Vitor, Sonnen, Hendo, Rashad, Okami. Yanno guys that actually pose a threat to his skillset?

Weidman needs a win over another big name. Beating a raggedy assed Munoz isn't enough.

If you put Bisping in Weidman's shoes he woulda got his title shot months ago.