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[H0SS]

Originally Posted by Mac

No pro athelete in any sport should be allowed to use TRT. It's a bullshit way to get an unfair advantage. Dan Henderson shouln't have the the same or higher testosterone levels than guys 10 to 15 years younger than him.

Why not? I've never understood this stupid argument. Because it is unfair for veterans to have the testosterone levels of a 20 year old and the experience of a vet?

There are no age brackets. No "testosterone level" brackets.

Fighters are matched up based on performance. It's not like some young, inexperienced fighter would be forced to fight someone ranked as high as Dan Henderson.

There is nothing unfair about it.

P.S. - That "Mir 1.0" seems to be a pic of him after the motorcycle accident (I could be wrong though). He gained a lot of fat after the accident and his performances reflected that.

This is a more accurate picture of Mir 1.0 (before the accident):

[Fe1]

It's not giving them abnormal super human strength and speed, it's not making them more talented, and it isn't winning them fights. All it does is make up for the their body not producing the normal amount of testosterone that their body should be producing. If it is approved by a doctor and the athletic commission, then it's not cheating. It's a medical procedure, not a PED.

[dbader08]

lol, not a surprise to anyone.

The difference in his physical shape for this fight and his first fight against Franklin is pretty hilarious.

Kind of like how Dan Henderson looks better at his age now than he has ever looked, not the same...better. And he has cited it as a "motivational thing". Fighting in front of 100,000 people in pride against the best fighters in the world at the time isn't motivational enough? Whatever you say, Dan. Good job finally finding motivation post 40 years old, I guess.

But hey everyone, Nick Diaz failed a drug test because he had some dead marijuana metabolites residing in his fat! Rabble Rabble!

[Qball1974]

Originally Posted by H0SS

Why not? I've never understood this stupid argument. Because it is unfair for veterans to have the testosterone levels of a 20 year old and the experience of a vet?

There are no age brackets. No "testosterone level" brackets.

Fighters are matched up based on performance. It's not like some young, inexperienced fighter would be forced to fight someone ranked as high as Dan Henderson.

There is nothing unfair about it.

P.S. - That "Mir 1.0" seems to be a pick of him after the motorcycle accident (I could be wrong though). He gained a lot of fat after the accident and his performances reflected that.

This is a more accurate picture of Mir 1.0 (before the accident):

Is this your MMA? HS athlete gets caught taking steroids - YouTube

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by Qball1974

Is this your MMA? HS athlete gets caught taking steroids - YouTube

I think you're confusing abusing PEDs with raising your testosterone back to normal levels.

The whole "natural" argument has always been silly.
This is a sport where people who don't need to, fight each other. For the enjoyment of spectators. There's nothing 'natural' about that at all.

[Sniggles]

TRT =/= Steroids.

[Rumble]

Originally Posted by Fe1

It's not giving them abnormal super human strength and speed, it's not making them more talented, and it isn't winning them fights. All it does is make up for the their body not producing the normal amount of testosterone that their body should be producing. If it is approved by a doctor and the athletic commission, then it's not cheating. It's a medical procedure, not a PED.

Originally Posted by H0SS

I think you're confusing abusing PEDs with raising your testosterone back to normal levels.

The whole "natural" argument has always been silly.
This is a sport where people who don't need to, fight each other. For the enjoyment of spectators. There's nothing 'natural' about that at all.

Gotta agree with you guys. It's not cheating if it's cleared by a doctor AND the athletic commission. It may be viewed as as an uneven playing field to us, but in reality it's really evening the playing field for these fighters.

Think about it. The use of TRT hasn't made these guys invincible. They've all lost, and some of them have lost big time even with the use of TRT.

It can be used in an appropriate manner. It's not all an attempt to cheat.

[AnchorPunch]

Originally Posted by H0SS

Why not? I've never understood this stupid argument. Because it is unfair for veterans to have the testosterone levels of a 20 year old and the experience of a vet?

There are no age brackets. No "testosterone level" brackets.

Fighters are matched up based on performance. It's not like some young, inexperienced fighter would be forced to fight someone ranked as high as Dan Henderson.

There is nothing unfair about it.

I agree with this 100%. Honestly, I don't even care about the origin of the problem as long as their levels are in the normal range today.

Athletes will do a lot to get ahead and some may have cheated in the past, causing them to need TRT or it might caused by something else. But if they don't get popped, I don't care. The only place where it creates questions is someone like Overeem who became dominant after clearly using and then getting caught. And Bigfoot took care of that question for us

Originally Posted by dbader08

Kind of like how Dan Henderson looks better at his age now than he has ever looked, not the same...better. And he has cited it as a "motivational thing". Fighting in front of 100,000 people in pride against the best fighters in the world at the time isn't motivational enough? Whatever you say, Dan. Good job finally finding motivation post 40 years old, I guess.

Am I misremembering or was there an era in Pride where Henderson looked a bit juiced? I'm a Hendo fan but he, like many of the Pride guys, is just someone I assumed used in the past.

[kalebarker]

Originally Posted by H0SS

I think you're confusing abusing PEDs with raising your testosterone back to normal levels.

The whole "natural" argument has always been silly.
This is a sport where people who don't need to, fight each other. For the enjoyment of spectators. There's nothing 'natural' about that at all.

Fighters are not using them to raise them to natural levels. They are using them ton raise their testosterone to well above normal levels.

It was revealed earlier today that Alistair Overeem's failed pre-UFC 146 drug screen revealed his Testosterone/Epitestosterone levels to be at a ratio of 14:1, whereas a normal man would possess a ratio of 1:1. These results were stated by Keith Kizer, commissioner of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Kizer revealed earlier this week that Overeem's levels were higher than 10:1, and that any levels shown to be above 6:1 are considered a violation.

What is allowed under athletic commision rules is 6 times the testosterone ratio of an average person.

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by kalebarker

Fighters are not using them to raise them to natural levels. They are using them ton raise their testosterone to well above normal levels.



What is allowed under athletic commision rules is 6 times the testosterone ratio of an average person.

Show me a ng/mL test rather than a T:E test.

Show me their actual testosterone levels then I will agree with you that TRT makes them superhuman. You have absolutely no knowledge of how much testosterone they are allowed to take.

Are you an endocrinologist? Do you work for an athletic commission?

Didn't think so.

Yours is an emotional response.

Does synthetic testosterone magically heal deteriorated joints and ligaments? Is it a magical anti-aging serum?

Nope.

Does it give someone drive psychologically?

Yes, because of the effect of a normalized amount of testosterone.

Does having your metabolic system fixed allow to fight at a higher level?

Yes.

Does it make them superhuman with infinite pain tolerance?

No.

Does it allow a fighter who doesn't produce enough a hormone be on a level playing field against the younger fighters?

That's what the intention is.

TRT sure helped Marquardt in his last fight. Did you see how aggressive he was?