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[cpac77]

These "boring fighter" cuts are great, and EXACTLY what the UFC and the sport of MMA needs in general.

Here's how it benefits UFC; no more boring fighters theoretically means more action packed fights (whether that's striking, BJJ, ground n pound) that lead to finishes.

Here's how it benefits MMA; guys with great skill and good name recognition (like Jon Fitch) can go to another organization and help build their rosters. Now if Jon Fitch is still a legit top 10 WW in UFC, he should be able to dominate just about everyone else in his weight class in these other organizations. If he's dominant, then he'd at least be finishing people instead of winning boring decisions. Also, these allegedly great fighters who get cut by the UFC are going to carry a bigger chip on their shoulder which should help them on their quest back to the UFC (unless it extinguished their competitive flame which then means we see them get KO'd by a relatively unknown guy before retiring for good).

Here's how it benefits us; less fights going to decision in UFC (and we all know how much the judges screw things up fairly often). More intriguing fights to watch in the lesser known orgs.

[LefthookStcrook]

Its weird because on one hand Id like to see the UFC as strickly for the top fighters. Only ranked fighters(as low as 25 or so), fighting other ranked fighters. No more of these "filler" type guys.

But on the other hand, I know that the UFC is the peak of the MMA world, and that way would lead to alot of jobs lost and alot of fighters with less pay.

But on my third hand, that could lead to a flood of good talent being cut, which could open up the gates for an upcoming org or two.

No matter what, Im just happy to see new fights on the regular, and those dark ages are a thing of the past.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by 0mega1

2 guys? Saffedine & Woodley; everybody else on the list has some solid WW wins in the UFC or SF.

Did Fitch deserved to be cut? I think so.

Fitch wasn't a Strikeforce fighter how could he have fought those guys. The list was basically a list of upper level welterweights that he hasn't fought, but you guys are acting like he has fought scrubs. I would put Mike Pierce and Erick Silva over half of the guys on this list.

How many ufc ww fights have Saffedine, Woodley, Shields, Marquardt, Maia, and Diaz (during his current UFC run) had combined?

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by cpac77

These "boring fighter" cuts are great, and EXACTLY what the UFC and the sport of MMA needs in general.

Here's how it benefits UFC; no more boring fighters theoretically means more action packed fights (whether that's striking, BJJ, ground n pound) that lead to finishes.

Here's how it benefits MMA; guys with great skill and good name recognition (like Jon Fitch) can go to another organization and help build their rosters. Now if Jon Fitch is still a legit top 10 WW in UFC, he should be able to dominate just about everyone else in his weight class in these other organizations. If he's dominant, then he'd at least be finishing people instead of winning boring decisions. Also, these allegedly great fighters who get cut by the UFC are going to carry a bigger chip on their shoulder which should help them on their quest back to the UFC (unless it extinguished their competitive flame which then means we see them get KO'd by a relatively unknown guy before retiring for good).

Here's how it benefits us; less fights going to decision in UFC (and we all know how much the judges screw things up fairly often). More intriguing fights to watch in the lesser known orgs.

Getting rid of actual skill in favor of entertainment is always good for a sport. Which is why the WWE is the greatest sports organization in the whole world.

[mmawolverine]

Originally Posted by Flynnja

Basing all that on the current top dogs in UFC WW division? Jon Fitch has been in the division since 2005.

Yup thats basically how ranking works, you prioritize the top dogs which Fitch is not. You'd think roughly 8 years would be enough time to get big wins over the laundry list of contenders and exchamps but apparently for fitch it wasnt.

Originally Posted by Sniggles

It's laughable that some sites have Fitch at 18th @ 170.

No its pretty realistic, I have him at 15. Everybody loves referencing the Eric Silva fight. It takes two to fight and for once in a very long time Fitch joined the party. He was late to that party, everybody else is having a good time and nobody needs a blanket.

Originally Posted by Firemass

Maia tried and Fitch wouldn't submit to an elite BJJ Black Belt, okay it wasn't a rollercoaster of a fight, but he deserves kudos for it, not to be cut.

Okay, kudos for not being able to mount ANY offense against your opponent. If you want kudos for not tapping then start by ranking Fitch at outside the top 15. A fighter outside the top 15 can be given kudos just for not getting subbed by Maia.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by mmawolverine

Yup thats basically how ranking works, you prioritize the top dogs which Fitch is not. You'd think roughly 8 years would be enough time to get big wins over the laundry list of contenders and exchamps but apparently for fitch it wasnt.


No its pretty realistic, I have him at 14-15. Everybody loves referencing the Eric Silva fight. It takes two to fight and for once in a very long time Fitch joined the party, he was late to that party.


Okay, kudos for not being able to mount ANY offense against your opponent. If you want kudos for not tapping then start by ranking Fitch at outside the top 15. A fighter outside the top 15 can be given kudos just for not getting subbed by Maia.

See I have always thought that the guy who gets taken down and stays there was the one who never showed up.

[Bork_Lazer]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

Fitch wasn't a Strikeforce fighter how could he have fought those guys. The list was basically a list of upper level welterweights that he hasn't fought, but you guys are acting like he has fought scrubs. I would put Mike Pierce and Erick Silva over half of the guys on this list.

How many ufc ww fights have Saffedine, Woodley, Shields, Marquardt, Maia, and Diaz (during his current UFC run) had combined?

Again, look at his last 4 fights.

Completely dominated by Maia.

Edged Silva in a decision, keep in mind Fitch is by far the best fighter Silva has ever faced and to be honest I think Silva came into that fight over confident, I would pick Silva on a rematch all day.

Got KOd by Hendricks to the point he tried wrestling with the ref.

Got a gift of a decision against BJ. Honestly the most undeserved 10 - 8 round I have ever seen in MMA.

Those are his fights in the last 2 years. Really nothing to brag about. And like Dana said, here is a guy who moved from 2nd best to 9th or below, depending on the rankings.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer

Again, look at his last 4 fights.

Completely dominated by Maia.

Edged Silva in a decision, keep in mind Fitch is by far the best fighter Silva has ever faced and to be honest I think Silva came into that fight over confident, I would pick Silva on a rematch all day.

Got KOd by Hendricks to the point he tried wrestling with the ref.

Got a gift of a decision against BJ. Honestly the most undeserved 10 - 8 round I have ever seen in MMA.

Those are his fights in the last 2 years. Really nothing to brag about. And like Dana said, here is a guy who moved from 2nd best to 9th or below, depending on the rankings.

So 2-2 against elite talent sounds pretty good to me, but what do I know I'm not in the business of discrediting wins.

[mmawolverine]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

See I have always thought that the guy who gets taken down and stays there was the one who never showed up.

yeah and who were those guys that couldnt get up from the warmth that Fitch provided. Was it
GSP, Condit, Hendricks, Mcdonald, either Diaz, Ellenberger, Maia, Kampman, Safediene, Marquart, Woodley, Shields, Koscheck,
or maybe its was Hughes, Penn, Serra
Nope how bout Lytle, Hardy, Swick, Sadalloh, Ludwig, Johnson, Simpson, Heiron, Siyar, Sexyama, Brown, Stungun not even Ebersole
and i could go on.
Jon Fitch does not have any of these names in his win column. Literally, Fitch never even SHOWED UP to fight alot of the best guys. Actually Fitch's blanket only works consistently on..drum roll please, guys outside the top 15.

Donosaur guys like you and Hoss and sniggles along with so many others are why i enjoy this forum so much I hope Im not being disrespectful towards you guys Im just really conflicted with your respective stances on Fitch and im just bored so feel free to flame me i need the entertainment Im taking a break from studying for my MCATs my brain hurts i need to troll.

[TheKidInside]

Originally Posted by Qball1974

I'd lov to see MMA as a pure sport but I understand the balance they need as a business.

I see...that must be the reason why the UFC is so against official rankings....wait a second