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[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by mmawolverine

yeah and who were those guys that couldnt get up from the warmth that Fitch provided. Was it
GSP, Condit, Hendricks, Mcdonald, either Diaz, Ellenberger, Maia, Kampman, Safediene, Marquart, Woodley, Shields, Koscheck,
or maybe its was Hughes, Penn, Serra
Nope how bout Lytle, Hardy, Swick, Sadalloh, Ludwig, Johnson, Simpson, Heiron, Siyar, Sexyama, Brown, Stungun not even Ebersole
and i could go on.
Jon Fitch does not have any of these names in his win column. Literally, Fitch never even SHOWED UP to fight alot of the best guys. Actually Fitch's blanket only works consistently on..drum roll please, guys outside the top 15.

Donosaur guys like you and Hoss and sniggles along with so many others are why i enjoy this forum so much I hope Im not being disrespectful towards you guys Im just really conflicted with your respective stances on Fitch and im just bored so feel free to flame me i need the entertainment Im taking a break from studying for my MCATs my brain hurts i need to troll.

I like you too man, and I am not flaming you. I really like Fitch, and I have always thought he has gotten a raw deal. He is not the best welterweight in the world and he never will be, but he by no means should have been cut. He can't take fights that they won't offer him by the way.

[Bork_Lazer]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

So 2-2 against elite talent sounds pretty good to me, but what do I know I'm not in the business of discrediting wins.

lol

you are correct sir, you are not in the business of discrediting wins, you are in the business of turning draws into wins... his record is 1-1-2

and the only W he has is against the only one who is not quite elite in that list...

Again, damn shame he got cut. But a disgrace to the sport it certainly is not.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer

lol

you are correct sir, you are not in the business of discrediting wins, you are in the business of turning draws into wins... his record is 1-1-2

and the only W he has is against the only one who is not quite elite in that list...

Again, damn shame he got cut. But a disgrace to the sport it certainly is not.

Haha I screwed up when I typed that. I was at the doctor's office and was trying to post before he came in. 1-2-1 is correct, I am in the business of fixing my mistakes.

[Bork_Lazer]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

Haha I screwed up when I typed that. I was at the doctor's office and was trying to post before he came in. 1-2-1 is correct, I am in the business of fixing my mistakes.

Hey man, if you are a big fan of Fitch, I feel for ya. Sucks to see a favorite get cut.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer

Hey man, if you are a big fan of Fitch, I feel for ya. Sucks to see a favorite get cut.

Defending Fitch from the blanket comments is the reason I started posting here. Hendo, Edgar, Fitch, Bader, and GSP are my 5 favorite fighters. I've followed Fitch's career longer than probably any of those guys except for maybe Edgar, but I initially hated Edgar because I was/am a Maynard fan so yeah I've been rooting for Fitch the longest. I wish I woulda got on the Hendo train earlier, but sadly I was more of a casual fan back then.

[hass]

Originally Posted by The Donosaur

Getting rid of actual skill in favor of entertainment is always good for a sport. Which is why the WWE is the greatest sports organization in the whole world.

I think what he's getting at is that while the UFC is currently favoring fighters that provide more excitement, this will give other MMA orgs an opportunity to pick up top level talent that were deemed "boring" by the UFC. Those other organizations can possibly develop into bigger and more substantial MMA promotions by obtaining these better known fighters. Those "boring" fighters (the quotes mean they're not really boring to an educated fan) have an opportunity to thrive in the other orgs and can possibly come back to the UFC and prove their doubters wrong. Ultimately (no pun intended), years down the road, the UFC or top MMA promotion will have the best fighters, "boring" or not, and the fights will be filled with the best MMA atheletes actually fighting to finish their opponent (not win, not just not lose - tyring to finish their opponent). Let's face it, the best fighters finish their opponents or decisively beat up their opponent throughout the fight. Ideally, the only close decisions see two fighters that were just in an MMA war and not looking fresh after just fighting for three - five rounds.

[Cat--Smasher]

The fireproof Dan Hardy gives his take on how to keep your job in the UFC

The fireproof Dan Hardy gives his take on how to keep your job in the UFC | Fightlinker.comFightlinker.com

Here he is talking to Pro MMA Now on the subject:

“I know the UFC are getting rid of a bunch of guys, and I know that they are disappointed with the way that people are stepping into the Octagon. Maybe it’s just a shake-up, maybe they are just trying to show people that we are in the entertainment industry as well as a professional sport. When people pay a lot of money for a ticket they want to see a performance, and some people are coming to get a pay check and it’s kinda disappointing.”

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by hass

I think what he's getting at is that while the UFC is currently favoring fighters that provide more excitement, this will give other MMA orgs an opportunity to pick up top level talent that were deemed "boring" by the UFC. Those other organizations can possibly develop into bigger and more substantial MMA promotions by obtaining these better known fighters. Those "boring" fighters (the quotes mean they're not really boring to an educated fan) have an opportunity to thrive in the other orgs and can possibly come back to the UFC and prove their doubters wrong. Ultimately (no pun intended), years down the road, the UFC or top MMA promotion will have the best fighters, "boring" or not, and the fights will be filled with the best MMA atheletes actually fighting to finish their opponent (not win, not just not lose - tyring to finish their opponent). Let's face it, the best fighters finish their opponents or decisively beat up their opponent throughout the fight. Ideally, the only close decisions see two fighters that were just in an MMA war and not looking fresh after just fighting for three - five rounds.

1st half of your post: yeah it would be great if all the top guys could compete together, but it doesn't have to be years from now. If the UFC was an actual sports organization and didn't cut "boring" taltented winners in favor of "exciting" suckwads, then the time could be now.

2nd half of your post: I couldn't disagree with you more. Finishing a fight does not mean you are greater than a guy who neutralized his opponents skill set through grappling.

[The Donosaur]

Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher

The fireproof Dan Hardy gives his take on how to keep your job in the UFC

The fireproof Dan Hardy gives his take on how to keep your job in the UFC | Fightlinker.comFightlinker.com

I didn't actually hear the interview, but from reading this, the last line sounds like he is putting down fighters who fight smart (example: train takedown defense and other martial arts rather than just hope that their opponent wants to play rock'em sock'em mohawks). If so I kinda don't blame the poster boy for "I shoulda been cut but wasn't because people enjoy watching me lose in an exciting manner" for defending his savior's stance on the issue. If I'm way off base on this then I apologize, actually no I don't, Hardy should be cut and his Hughes rants are annoying.

[Mac]

When you cut top rated fighters to keep fighters with less than .500 records, you don't just get rid of boring fighters. You also get rid of legitimacy.
If the UFC wants to be more about entertainment than competition then fine, just come out and say it instead of pretending you want to be a real sport.