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[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

I'm sorry why doesn't Machida deserve a shot again?

Because just had a gift of a 2nd title shot which resulted in him being choked unconscious by Jones. Since then he beat Bader (a fringe top 8) and had a very lackluster decision victory over Henderson.
In addition to that, he has pathetic drawing power considering the amount of money he gets paid to fight.

Do you think he deserves a title shot?

[initial_zen]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

Because just had a gift of a 2nd title shot which resulted in him being choked unconscious by Jones. Since then he beat Bader (a fringe top 8) and had a very lackluster decision victory over Henderson.
In addition to that, he has pathetic drawing power considering the amount of money he gets paid to fight.

Do you think he deserves a title shot?

To be fair, machida stepped in (forget if it was short notice or not) to fight jones when Rashad pulled out of that fight and the ufc didn't have any other contenders.. And if you look at the numbers, machida is actually quite a big draw.

.. also Jon got his title shot at shogun after beating Ryan Bader.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by initial_zen

To be fair, machida stepped in (forget if it was short notice or not) to fight jones when Rashad pulled out of that fight and the ufc didn't have any other contenders.. And if you look at the numbers, machida is actually quite a big draw.

.. also Jon got his title shot at shogun after beating Ryan Bader.

Completely different set of conditions Imo.

Jones title shot

- Easily hypeable young "undefeated" contender with a good list of dominant finishes.
-3 weeks short notice fight against the champ
-no other viable contenders available to replace Evans besides Jones
-Ryan Bader & Jones were the hottest prospects at 205 at the time, and Jones mopped the floor with him.

Machida 2nd title shot

-Got Obliterated by Shogun after winning a very controversial decision victory in the first fight
-Lost a lackluster decision to Rampage
-Retired a damn near 50 year old man from MMA
-Got a gift title shot on 7 weeks notice against Jones of a 1 fight win streak.
-Got chocked unconscious by Jones in 2 rounds

Machidas potential 3rd title shot/rematch

-Beat Ryan Bader, who had just been finished by Tito Ortiz of all people, and since losing to Jones has only beaten a horribly flat Rampage, Jason Brillz, and the Janitor.
-refused a short notice title fight rematch against Jones
-Won a very lackluster decision victory against Dan Henderson

My reasoning is, Machida already got one gift Title shot due to being in the right place at the right time. So i cant view him as deserving of a rematch, a 3rd title shot, when not only was it Jones' lowest PPV draw but there's potential contenders still in the mix.

I know you didn't ask to know my reasoning, but I felt like fully detailing it for some reason.

[initial_zen]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

Completely different set of conditions Imo.

Jones title shot

- Easily hypeable young "undefeated" contender with a good list of dominant finishes.
-3 weeks short notice fight against the champ
-no other viable contenders available to replace Evans besides Jones
-Ryan Bader & Jones were the hottest prospects at 205 at the time, and Jones mopped the floor with him.

Bader was Jones biggest win at that point, and he may not have even been top 10 during that time. I'm not saying Machida deserves one now, but his last title shot was almost the same predicament that Jons got his from, stepping in when there were no contenders.. With the difference being lyoto (a former champ) recently having a loss to shogun (who was out of the title picture) and rampage (who he should have got the win against and was out of the title picture) but in return had wins over a lot of top 10 competition.

I'd say give the winner of goose vs mousasi the next shot and have machida get one more win before giving him the shot.

[Sniggles]

I wouldn't mind Machida having another fight before his title shot IF Gus is victorious.

It's not like Dana hasn't gone back on his word of a number 1 contender matchup if the wrong person wins. (Hendo/Bisping)