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[TreK]

Although I agree that Hendricks is the number one contender, it's not like GSP called out some can. It's Nick Diaz... a former number one contender, former stikeforce champ and he always come to fight.

Nick pissed GSP off and if I recall correctly, the last fight that GSP asked for was Hughes. It's not like Georges has a history of this sort of thing. I don't think Anderson is ducking anyone either but, by this "GSP" definition of "ducking", Anderson has done more of it than GSP has recently.

Bottom line, we have two great GSP fights to look forward to in the very near future; Diaz will be a great fight and if Georges wins this one, the timing will work out nicely for Hendricks to get his shot since they are both fighting on the same upcoming card.

I'm really pumped for UFC 158.

[lwbrewer]

Thats funny rh. I can see your point on Nick dealing with the media. Myself being in charge of a few scene's have had the responsablity to talk to the media and have been frustratated when it was twisted and dramatized. The media when granted right to film parts of a deployment always failed to stay with in their guidelines they were given. I have went as far as pulling cords from the battery to the camera to stop filming when they over steped there rights. I cleaned out one news crew of all there cords where they pleaded to get them back as other news was happening elsewhere they needed to cover.

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Scared is a loaded term. It's kind of like fanboys who assume that people critical of a champ ducking an opponent are "haters who think he's scared" of whomever is being ducked.

I don't think Georges can do anything to him that hasn't been done before...so I doubt he's scared.

Nick already asked for the Anderson fight, once soares put him on the shortlist of fighters Anderson would deign to actually face.

I don't believe Georges is any more scared of Anderson than Anderson is of Weidman; or Nick is of Georges. I just don't think he thinks it's worth the risk/reward ratio--kind of how Nick treated the Hieron shot.

I'd love to be able to say Georges has integrity and just wants to defend his belt, but he's clearly ducking Hendricks...so that pooch is already screwed.

rh

Making millions and millions of dollars as well as finally seeing who the best pound-for-pound fighter after many years should have been enough.

Everyone has a little bit of integrity but you can't deny what I have said in the past, in that Georges was shown possible numbers for 3-5 fights. Hendricks, Silva and Diaz were obviously at the top of the list.

GSP chose to take the Diaz fight because it is indeed the highest reward with the least risk while Anderson is at the top monetarily-wise.

The fight with Hendricks is almost not even worth it, as Hendricks does not have a huge hype trail with casuals - many people don't know who he is. Like it or not, the casuals and new fans are where the money is at.

I have said a couple years ago that if GSP is to fight Silva, he would wait for Diaz. Besides GSP, the next most well-known fighter is Diaz followed by Fraggle Rock.

Silva is most likely the next fight for Georges, as Georges just wanted to capitalize on Nick's name power before getting his next big payday. It is undeniable that George's decision was driven by money. The only person who can give GSP the kind of money that he is about to make from whooping Diaz is Silva.

Weidman and Hendricks are too dangerous for the amount they would draw on a main event.

[bingo]

Originally Posted by rivethead

People have different interpretations of the very loaded term "ducking," as I said.

Hendricks is the #1 contender. He's done more to earn a shot than Diaz has. Georges is not fighting the #1 contender, he's fighting someone else. That, by my definition is "ducking" the #1 contender.


I love how fanboys get emotional about any criticism to the object of their affection.

I don't believe that champions should ask for any opponents, unless those opponents are the #1 contender. I feel like champions are obligated to defend against the best. I interpret anything else as ducking.
rh

Damn it long_sleeve_black_rivethead_tee.jpg,isn't ma1_7932.jpganyone!!!

duck 2 (dk)
v. ducked, duck·ing, ducks
v.tr.
1. To lower quickly, especially so as to avoid something: ducked his head as the ball came toward him.
2. To evade; dodge: duck responsibility; ducked the reporter's question.
3. To push suddenly under water. See Synonyms at dip.
4. Games To deliberately play a card that is lower than (an opponent's card).
v.intr.
1. To lower the head or body.
2. To move swiftly, especially so as to escape being seen: ducked behind a bush.
3. To submerge the head or body briefly in water.
4. To evade a responsibility or obligation. Often used with out: duck out on one's family.
5. Games To lose a trick by deliberately playing lower than one's opponent.
n.
1. A quick lowering of the head or body.
2. A plunge into water.

Seriously, delaying is probably a better word than ducking.

[Luc1an]

I have no problem with a Champ at least having some input into who he fights next. In the case of Weidman/Silva. Im completely on AS side. Hes earned the right to pick opponents at this stage in his career. Hes not getting any younger and is looking for big time, big money fights. wth is wrong with that? Im sorry but the AVERAGE fan doesnt even know who Chris Weidman is at this point and thus the fight wont sell as good as it could.

In the case of GSP/DIAZ, that was fight was already supposed to happen. there is unfinished business there. So i dont mind that he gets the nod over Hendriks at this point.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by TreK

Although I agree that Hendricks is the number one contender, it's not like GSP called out some can. It's Nick Diaz... a former number one contender, former stikeforce champ and he always come to fight.

Nick pissed GSP off and if I recall correctly, the last fight that GSP asked for was Hughes. It's not like Georges has a history of this sort of thing. I don't think Anderson is ducking anyone either but, by this "GSP" definition of "ducking", Anderson has done more of it than GSP has recently.

I'm not saying Georges is a serial ducker. I'm not saying he's as egregious as Anderson is.

I'm simply saying he's ducking Hendricks.

Georges seems like a nice guy. It would be great if he had no blemishes on his record in this regard. He doesn't. He's ducking Hendricks.

You can say it's only one, and you'd be right.

But it's one.

Bottom line, we have two great GSP fights to look forward to in the very near future; Diaz will be a great fight and if Georges wins this one, the timing will work out nicely for Hendricks to get his shot since they are both fighting on the same upcoming card.

And if Hendricks loses, he's screwed, because he's done more to earn the shot than Diaz has--and this is coming from a fan of Diaz, and I do not like Hendricks at all...and I like Georges more than either of them.

I'm really pumped for UFC 158.

I like the idea of both fights, but I'd rather have seen Nick have to walk the extra mile, rather than Hendricks. I'll certainly watch them, but not with the level of enjoyment I would if the situation were reversed--ie, St.Pierre/Hendricks first, and then St. Pierre/Diaz later...assuming Georges wins both, which I am.

The spectre of the vanityfight with Anderson boning Hendricks further isn't entirely put to rest either. That would be even more wrong.

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Making millions and millions of dollars as well as finally seeing who the best pound-for-pound fighter after many years should have been enough.

Anderson/Georges doesn't prove anything pound for pound, except if Georges somehow wins. Anderson is the bigger fighter, he'll be bringing size advantage into whatever terms they can come to, and bigger fighters are supposed to win.

It didn't prove anything when Georges beat Penn except that a bigger skilled fighter can still beat a smaller skilled fighter, and it won't prove anything if Anderson wins.

Originally Posted by bingo

Seriously, delaying is probably a better word than ducking.

Some people don't feel like a champion has an obligation to fight the #1 contender. Those people are idiots.

Seriously, Georges is ducking Hendricks. You can call it whatever you want, but he's ducking the #1 contender in Hendricks. Spray painting a pile of dog poo gold doesn't make it anything other than a shiney pile of dog poo. And this was a dog-poo decision on Georges part.

EDIT: didn't see this post.

Originally Posted by Luc1an

I have no problem with a Champ at least having some input into who he fights next. In the case of Weidman/Silva. Im completely on AS side. Hes earned the right to pick opponents at this stage in his career. Hes not getting any younger and is looking for big time, big money fights. wth is wrong with that?

By definition, the champion is the best fighter in a given division. If he's not testing himself against the best that division has to offer, the very concept is eroded. That is exactly what is wrong with that.

If Anderson wants to drop the MW belt and pursue vanity fights for the rest of his career, fine. I'm entirely cool with that.

I'm not fine with him refusing to defend against the best the division has to offer, and looking to fight guys who aren't even top 10 in return. That's just pathetic.

Im sorry but the AVERAGE fan doesnt even know who Chris Weidman is at this point and thus the fight wont sell as good as it could.

I'm sorry, but I could give a flying fuck if the fight wouldn't sell or not.

Anderson doesn't get paid to make money. He gets paid to fight, specifically to defend the MW belt against the #1 contender. Not to mention, zuffa has pimped lesser fighters than Weidman to title shots, they could certainly do whatever they needed to make the fight worthwhile.

In the case of GSP/DIAZ, that was fight was already supposed to happen. there is unfinished business there. So i dont mind that he gets the nod over Hendriks at this point.

You don't, I do.

rh

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by bingo

Damn it Attachment 415,isn't anyone!!!


Seriously, delaying is probably a better word than ducking.

Ducking and delaying mean the same thing when it comes to combat sports. If you need a dictionary to look up the most obvious terms when posting, you're doing it wrong.

[bingo]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Ducking and delaying mean the same thing when it comes to combat sports. If you need a dictionary to look up the most obvious terms when posting, you're doing it wrong.

Sometimes you gotta spell it out . Since I already posted the definition of ducking, I'll enlighten you by posting:

de·lay (d-l)
v. de·layed, de·lay·ing, de·lays
v.tr.
1. To postpone until a later time; defer.
2. To cause to be later or slower than expected or desired: Heavy traffic delayed us.
v.intr.
To act or move slowly; put off an action or a decision.
n.
1. The act of delaying; postponement: responded without delay.
2. The condition of being delayed; detainment.
3. The period of time during which one is delayed.
4. The interval of time between two events.

Seems about right to me.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by bingo

Sometimes you gotta spell it out . Since I already posted the definition of ducking, I'll enlighten you by posting:


Seems about right to me.

so going back to your intial post and my focus on #4--and this would be in virtually every instance where the term is used-- when someone ducks out on their family, they never ever see them again? Or they simply delay seeing them until it's advantageous for them to do so?

rh

[bingo]

Originally Posted by rivethead

so going back to your intial post and my focus on #4--and this would be in virtually every instance where the term is used-- when someone ducks out on their family, they never ever see them again? Or they simply delay seeing them until it's advantageous for them to do so?

rh

In that instance you would be right. In this instance GSP has never said he didn't want to face Hendricks, plus there isn't really any advantage to delaying a fight with him. If Hendricks loses, sure he loses an opportunity to fight for a championship. If he's that good, then it will happen again sooner rather than later. GSP has more to lose on the fight he's chosen anyhow. First and foremost he would lose his title and it could also conceivably give some validation to Diaz feelings that GSP had been ducking him.
Even though I feel that the rankings should determine who fights who, I understand from a business point why Dana made this fight a priority over the Hendricks match up. The thing that needs to happen is the UFC has to stop letting the fighters decide who they want to face, whether its a team mate, an enemy or a freakin can. The super fight talk has to stop too. Sure it would be great to have the best of the weight classes fight each other to see who is the best, but there can be too many potential disadvantages to each fighter. Not to mention delaying/ducking fighters in your own weight class.