MMA News Forums » MMA Forums » General MMA Forum

[lawdawg]

Originally Posted by vass

I think that everyone was robbed by what was an early stoppage.
This was not a decisive win for Tito, and not a fight that people felt was worth the money/ hype.
Had Herb Dean waited another 5 seconds, and had Shamrock still not defended himself, then it would have been a decent beating, and noone would have minded the stoppage.
I don't expect to see Herb Dean working anything but undercard fights for a while.
I also would not be surprised to see another Tito vs Shamrock in the near future, one reffed by Big John.

: I could not agree more with your quote. I honestly have to say, i did not really favor one over the other in the fight, i was just wanting to see a great fight. My buddies and i ordered paperview, needless to say they are all avid tito fans, and when we watched the ken and tito fight, that's when it became clear to me that the fight was a joke. Let's just say, even though my buddies were all for tito, they all were sick the way it was stopped. they all talked about how they didn't think ken was givin a chance to defend himself befofe herb ended it.

[MikeT]

this was my thread originally but i been away for a few days so could not respond

facts are this

In titos last fight he took Forest Griffin down and pounded him with elbows for 5 mins and it was not stopped

In two of the other fights on the ufc 61 ppv the fighters received a lot more punishment and it was not stopped

If tito fought Chuck liddel next for the belt, took him down and landed those 4 short elbows and dean stopped it there would be a riot

so why is shamrock not allowed the same treatment as the other ufc fighters??????

[Kewl144]

Originally Posted by MikeT

so why is shamrock not allowed the same treatment as the other ufc fighters??????

Because he stopped defending himself. It's really not a complicated matter. But ask yourself this; if it was two no-name fighters and this happened, would anyone care? People are still stuck in the hype around this fight without realize that the first fight between these two happened 3 1/2 years ago.

[Mellow Mood]

facts are this

In titos last fight he took Forest Griffin down and pounded him with elbows for 5 mins and it was not stopped

imo, Forest never looked like ken did after those elbows. Forest was actually defending himself, and ken was not! Sure Forest got cut, but all the same his arms/hands were up and he was defending. Tito also never landed 4-5 clean elbows all back to back on forest's face. Shamrock did not defend against those elbows, and the fight was stopped, simple as that. Had he been defending, i don't think it would have been over so fast.

In two of the other fights on the ufc 61 ppv the fighters received a lot more punishment and it was not stopped

even the guy that was bleeding like a stuck pig was still defending himself, so they let it go. Again, Ken was not defending himslef, and when a fighter isn't defending himself, it's over!

If tito fought Chuck liddel next for the belt, took him down and landed those 4 short elbows and dean stopped it there would be a riot

i think this would depend AGAIN on how chuck reacted to the elbows? You have to admit, not many fighters out there will let 4-5 clean elbows hit them in the head, right?

[#1taz]

LMAO!!!

I just cant help but laugh like hell at this post I found on another forum.
(slightly edited, with my apologies to the original author)

- Ken Shamrock's next appearance in the Octagon -

Ken Shamrock comes out..........making his way to the ring area, no gloves, no gear, just his faded lime green Walmart Sweat Suit and a small tool kit...........

Not the 'tools' he learned in his many years with the Lions's Den. He is making the most of his free time and earning a few extra, and much needed dollars.

Despite the image he portrayed as coach of TUF 3, don't misunderstand this guys work ethic in, and out of the gym!!

It is several hours after the fights have ended, and while everyone else is out at their afterparties, Ken is just sweeping up the garbage, folding up chairs, breaking down the Octagon and mopping up the floors.

When his work is done, he pauses in the doorway before turning out the lights and looks longingly back toward the arena, and mumbles to himself.........
"Tito Ortiz is a punk........Tito Ortiz is a punk........Tito Ortiz is a punk........ "

You have to admire Ken Shamrock.

The dude's gotta make money somehow, because it's a damn fact this bum ain't gonna do it by fighting in MMA anymore!

[KnowledgeKnown]

ouch, lol.

[TapThatMat]

I agree that Herb Dean stopped it a little to fast, but lets be honest here if anything Dean saved Shamrock from another ass kicking. As much as I would have enjoyed seeing Shamrock get the crap kicked out of him, the fight being stopped quickly was in Shamrocks favor. I dont think he would have had fun if his face once again looked like it got beat with a baseball bat. I can also guarentee you that Shamrock will never seriously pursue a third bout with Ortiz.

[MikeT]

[QUOTE=Kewl144]Because he stopped defending himself. It's really not a complicated matter. But ask yourself this; if it was two no-name fighters and this happened, would anyone care?

your an idiot and thats not a complicated matter either, just plain for the world to see. Listen einstein 2 no name fighters would not be the co main event on a ufc ppv and be the reason for thousands of people payin top dollar to watch it. so your point is BS

this was a co main event fight an should have been let go until there was a clear winner

[matto]

i didnt think that it was good stopage, but it would have ended up like that eventually, ken had very little chance of winning, but ken wasnt defending himself intelligently so herb does have a somewhat alaby

[MikeT]

Originally Posted by Mellow Mood

imo, Forest never looked like ken did after those elbows. Forest was actually defending himself, and ken was not! Sure Forest got cut, but all the same his arms/hands were up and he was defending. Tito also never landed 4-5 clean elbows all back to back on forest's face. Shamrock did not defend against those elbows, and the fight was stopped, simple as that. Had he been defending, i don't think it would have been over so fast.



even the guy that was bleeding like a stuck pig was still defending himself, so they let it go. Again, Ken was not defending himslef, and when a fighter isn't defending himself, it's over!



i think this would depend AGAIN on how chuck reacted to the elbows? You have to admit, not many fighters out there will let 4-5 clean elbows hit them in the head, right?

I am starting to care a whole lot less about this post now but still, gotta reply to some of what u said

Firstly Griffin got pounded for 5 mins and none of what i seen from him do looked like intelligent defence, unless u think using your face as a shield for elbows is intelligent

secondly in response to how not many fighters will let 4 clean elbows hit them in the head, that is not the point, the point is that the fight was stopped pre mature and i have never seen a more pre mature ufc stoppage. Tito landed clean elbows against belfort and griffin and Cote and it was not stopped, also Couture landed 5 rounds of punishment on titos head when they fought and it was not stopped

Point is shamrock was screwed cos it was stopped early, and some people say well if it continued then he might have been knocked out in twenty more seconds well thats what should have happened then, Herb dean is not Shamrocks dad and he should have allowed shamrock the same latitude he gives to every other fighter whose fights he referrees

Anyway thats me finished on this thread