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[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by prophet665

I did not see the fight or the post fight interviews after the Wanderlai (sp?) fight. What exactly did he say?

What fights has he ducked? I saw in another post the list of fighters he has faced recently, and it was pretty impressive. Who has he ducked?

As for stealing Tank's name, well...yeah... kind of cheap and I think it may have been forced on him by the UFC after Tank lost his edge. Isn't Tank kind of washed up now?

As for crying, well....I imagine fighting is an emotional experience just like any other major event (sporting or ptherwise). I find no fault with the guy for losing and crying. Every other sport (basketball, football, etc...) people cry when they win and lose. In my opinion, he is no less of an athlete for it.

After Beating Wnad he put on a T-Shirt that said "I just killed the axe murderer"

The fights he's ducked-lol!Where do I start.When he was champion his manager was Dana White and Tito never had to face any top competition. He faced good mid card fighters ,but never the top guys like Chuck and Vitor.He ducked Chuck,Tanner,Lee Murray,Ken Shamrock, and a lot of others.He's a piece of shit.Look at the Lee Murray incident.That's the real Tito Ortiz-not some fucking gimick for a couple of TV cameras.

BTW not every sport.There's no crying in Baseball.

[Kewl144]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

After Beating Wnad he put on a T-Shirt that said "I just killed the axe murderer"

The fights he's ducked-lol!Where do I start.When he was champion his manager was Dana White and Tito never had to face any top competition. He faced good mid card fighters ,but never the top guys like Chuck and Vitor.He ducked Chuck,Tanner,Lee Murray,Ken Shamrock, and a lot of others.He's a piece of shit.Look at the Lee Murray incident.That's the real Tito Ortiz-not some fucking gimick for a couple of TV cameras.

BTW not every sport.There's no crying in Baseball.

Did he duck Tanner before or after he beat him? Didnt Lee Murray get arrested a few weeks back for being connected to a bank heist in England? Didnt Tito beat Vitor?

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by Kewl144

Did he duck Tanner before or after he beat him? Didnt Lee Murray get arrested a few weeks back for being connected to a bank heist in England? Didnt Tito beat Vitor?

Tito beat Tanner than never gave him the rematch he dererved.The Lee Murray thing he's been ducking him ever since he got KTFO by him in a streat fight and that was years before the bank heist.Tito only fought Vitor b/c he had no other choice.He didn't have the belt anymore and was coming off of losses from Randy and Chuck and the only reason he beat Vitor is b/c Vitor gassed.Vitor was dominating the fight untill he gassed. Which may have not been completely his fault seeing that his mind was pre occupied by his sisters kidnapping.

[Kimuras"R"Us]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

the only reason he beat Vitor is b/c Vitor gassed.Vitor was dominating the fight untill he gassed. Which may have not been completely his fault seeing that his mind was pre occupied by his sisters kidnapping.

If he gassed he gassed. Tito is the only guy you're openly biased against Killer. I know you hate him, we get it, lol. Tito's resume is pretty good like him or not.

[Zenshotokai]

Yo Tapper...he might be a loser but you can't even SPELL...it is you're a loser...as in, TAPPER, YOU'RE A LOSER.

[Kewl144]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

Tito beat Tanner than never gave him the rematch he dererved.The Lee Murray thing he's been ducking him ever since he got KTFO by him in a streat fight and that was years before the bank heist.Tito only fought Vitor b/c he had no other choice.He didn't have the belt anymore and was coming off of losses from Randy and Chuck and the only reason he beat Vitor is b/c Vitor gassed.Vitor was dominating the fight untill he gassed. Which may have not been completely his fault seeing that his mind was pre occupied by his sisters kidnapping.

So the thing with Murray had nothing to do with the fact that he wasnt allowed in the U.S? Or that he's middleweight? He "knocked out" Tito in a street fight...wow.

[prophet665]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

Tito beat Tanner than never gave him the rematch he dererved.The Lee Murray thing he's been ducking him ever since he got KTFO by him in a streat fight and that was years before the bank heist.Tito only fought Vitor b/c he had no other choice.He didn't have the belt anymore and was coming off of losses from Randy and Chuck and the only reason he beat Vitor is b/c Vitor gassed.Vitor was dominating the fight untill he gassed. Which may have not been completely his fault seeing that his mind was pre occupied by his sisters kidnapping.

Ok...since I am not familiar with all the news and gossip in MMA, let me make sure I have things straight. Please remeber, I am not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to get the full story:

1. Tito beat Tanner, but Tanner never got a rematch. Could it be that there were other fights already signed and he didn't get a rematch for contractual obligations? How much control does any fighter really have over who he fights?

2. Lee Murray knocked Tito out in a street fight. Ok...was it a fair fight? Were there any impartial witnesses? Was it a sucker punch? Did he have a weapon?

3. Tito fought Vitor Belfor (sp?) and you are complaining? He had no one else to fight? That sounds like a weak arguement to me. Vitor has no business fighting if his mind was (justifiably!) elsewhere. I don't know how much the mental part of a fight plays on conditioning. Making sloppy mistakes I can see; getting tired too early due to his mind not being ion the fight seems strange to me. Did they ever find his sister?

[Kewl144]

Originally Posted by prophet665

Vitor has no business fighting if his mind was (justifiably!) elsewhere. I don't know how much the mental part of a fight plays on conditioning. Making sloppy mistakes I can see; getting tired too early due to his mind not being ion the fight seems strange to me. Did they ever find his sister?

I dont believe they did. His sister was kidnapped a year and a month before he fought Tito.

[theone]

Originally Posted by prophet665

A lot of people on here have said they do not like Tito Ortiz. I think the main reason is his attitude and arrogance. Let's face it, he is a shit starter and has a big mouth. He is good for the UFC for promotional purposes and until he starts losing on a regular basis by wide margins, he belongs as a fighter.

Pre-fight, the guy is a total dick. He predicts he will embarrass every opponent and shit down their throat after he does it.

Post fight, he celebrates just as the other fighters do (running around like a chicken with their head cut off), but he shakes the hand of the loser (other than Lion's Den fighters) and more importantly, he gives proper credit to people that beat his ass. The Couture fight is a perfect example. Christ, he was crying and he still had the balls to stay in the ring for the judges announcement and gave all the respect to him.

Another thing that I like about him is that he gave his best effort to the fighters during TUF3.

I admit I am just getting in to the deeper parts of MMA, and if I am wrong, tell me.

He does have some good points, but he should be in politics. He complained about Shamrock's weight, then weighed over himself. Then he whinned about Ken saying he was not 100% in the first fight, and said that he was only 60% and that is why he did do as well against Forrest. It is such a terrible thing when someone else says it, but when Tito makes that same type of comment it is ok.

[prophet665]

Originally Posted by Kewl144

I dont believe they did. His sister was kidnapped a year and a month before he fought Tito.

Wow...was it a ransom situation? Random crime? That is a real aweful situation.

As for him worrying about his sister, well, if it happened a little closer to the fight I think you would have an arguement that it affected him during the fight.