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[Caw]

Not in order

Coleman
Couture
Severn
Henderson
Lindland
Liddell
Hughes
Randelman
Tyson Griffin
Van Arsdale


I'm English so naturally i know very little about wrestling, but those are the ones that came to mind.

[The Natural994]

Originally Posted by Palma Wrestler

He did use his wrestling and used it quite well. Is wrestling only about taking people down? You are really trivializing his abilities and disrespecting wrestling a sport if you are saying his abilities don't mean a damn because he got knocked out.

Since you want to drop some knowledge, let's see your top ten list...

I already posted a top 10 list


But as for Salmon, c'mon Palma...bite the bullet already. Trigg, Hughes, Rashad, Sherk, etc....

They all use and have been using over very long careers wrestling better than Salmon does in MMA...Which is what this "list" is about ...right????? I'm not saying Salmon isn't a talented, somewhat decorated wreslter... I am saying he isn't on this list because even with his wrestling abilities he is no threat in MMA right now.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by The Natural994

I already posted a top 10 list


But as for Salmon, c'mon Palma...bite the bullet already. Trigg, Hughes, Rashad, Sherk, etc....

They all use and have been using over very long careers wrestling better than Salmon does in MMA...Which is what this "list" is about ...right????? I'm not saying Salmon isn't a talented, somewhat decorated wreslter... I am saying he isn't on this list because even with his wrestling abilities he is no threat in MMA right now.

I never said this is a list based off long careers sustained by using wrestling. I said the best wrestlers that actually utilize wrestlering. Salmon has 12 MMA fights and certainly uses wrestling as his main combat sport. Trigg, Rashad, and Sherk are not better then Salmon. Hughes I forgot about and should be on the list.

[The Natural994]

Originally Posted by Palma Wrestler

I never said this is a list based off long careers sustained by using wrestling. I said the best wrestlers that actually utilize wrestlering. Salmon has 12 MMA fights and certainly uses wrestling as his main combat sport. Trigg, Rashad, and Sherk are not better then Salmon. Hughes I forgot about and should be on the list.

What has he done to actually successfully utilize his wrestling???

To me, you have to be successful in actually utilizing your wrestling (Which means having it translate to wins) to be on that list.... Salmons wins over jobbers that no ones ever seen at ma and pop organizations dont mean squat when Alan Belcher stops his double leg takedown with a guillotine choke in 51 seconds.

Sherk, Trigg, Rashad, Edgar,etc... ALL belong on the list before he does. Hell, even Matt Hamill does.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by The Natural994

What has he done to actually successfully utilize his wrestling???

To me, you have to be successful in actually utilizing your wrestling (Which means having it translate to wins) to be on that list.... Salmons wins over jobbers that no ones ever seen at ma and pop organizations dont mean squat when Alan Belcher stops his double leg takedown with a guillotine choke in 51 seconds.

Sherk, Trigg, Rashad, Edgar,etc... ALL belong on the list before he does. Hell, even Matt Hamill does.

So Matt Hamill should be above Salmon because Hamill has only three wins and Salmon has 10? That makes no sense.

This is a list of top wrestlers not top MMA fighters. You can be a great wrestler and still lose in MMA by a fighting style that has nothing to do with wrestling. Rashad and Belcher beat Salmon by means other then wrestling so how does that make Salmon a bad wrestler?

By your logic then why should Randy be up there with his 15 and 8 record? So Salmon lost two out of his last three fights...that doesn't mean he isn't one of the best wrestlers in MMA and it sure as hell doesn't mean he doesn't rely on wrestling more then any other combat sport.

In fact with the exception of Koscheck, Salmon has a better record then most the other fighters on that list. How does 10 and 3 in MMA translate into bad wrestling?

The very fact that he owned Rashad in the wrestling aspect of their fight should put him up there with top wrestlers in MMA, especially considering how good of a wrestler Rashad is?

Fedor beat Coleman twice...does that mean he is a better wrestler then Coleman?

Josh Koscheck lost to Fickett...does that mean Fickett should be on the list too?

I think are failing to grasp the concept of the list. This a list on the top ten wrestlers who use wrestling in MMA, not the top ten most winningest wrestlers. I never said anything about winning. Obviouslly a fighter who can't get a winning record shouldn't be up there, but Salmon is not only one of the best wrestlers in MMA he is one of the best wrestlers in the country and he has a 10 and 3 record.

[The Natural994]

Originally Posted by Palma Wrestler

So Matt Hamill should be above Salmon because Hamill has only three wins and Salmon has 10? That makes no sense.

This is a list of top wrestlers not top MMA fighters. You can be a great wrestler and still lose in MMA by a fighting style that has nothing to do with wrestling. Rashad and Belcher beat Salmon by means other then wrestling so how does that make Salmon a bad wrestler?

By your logic then why should Randy be up there with his 15 and 8 record? So Salmon lost two out of his last three fights...that doesn't mean he isn't one of the best wrestlers in MMA and it sure as hell doesn't mean he doesn't rely on wrestling more then any other combat sport.

In fact with the exception of Koscheck, Salmon has a better record then most the other fighters on that list. How does 10 and 3 in MMA translate into bad wrestling?

The very fact that he owned Rashad in the wrestling aspect of their fight should put him up there with top wrestlers in MMA, especially considering how good of a wrestler Rashad is?

Fedor beat Coleman twice...does that mean he is a better wrestler then Coleman?

Josh Koscheck lost to Fickett...does that mean Fickett should be on the list too?

I think are failing to grasp the concept of the list. This a list on the top ten wrestlers who use wrestling in MMA, not the top ten most winningest wrestlers. I never said anything about winning. Obviouslly a fighter who can't get a winning record shouldn't be up there, but Salmon is not only one of the best wrestlers in MMA he is one of the best wrestlers in the country and he has a 10 and 3 record.

The bottom line here is not with me, its with you. Your having trouble accepting there is guys that belong on this list over Salmon.

How can you have a list thats not results oriented? Big deal the guy utilizes wrestling.... to a degree theres almost wrestling in every fight...The difference is with Salmon he obviously isn't that good at UTILIZING IT IN MMA.... WHICH IS WHAT THIS LIST WAS ORIGINALLY ABOUT! I know he's a good wrestler...But in MMA, well he hasn't exactly knocked anyones socks off with his wrestling.

Now..The reason Hamill should be up there using your logic is because literally all he can do is wrestle.... and he actually wins in the UFC....Against Salmons training partner in his last fight none the less.... Not to metnion leave Salmons record out of this...I doubt you've ever heard of or seen any of the jobbers Salmon has actually beaten to pad up that record.... All we've seen is him get kicked in the head and choked out....Yea I guess he had real nice technique you observed though..... Better than Hughes though??? I think not....


I think your failing to grasp the concept here and can't accept you made a mistake putting Sean Salmon who when this list started was AND I QUOTE "world class" according to you ...but now I see you've changed your tone to he's only one of the best wrestlers in the country...according to you...

You said in the beginning ...this list was who utilizes wrestling the best in MMA....Well no one sits and solely judges technique regardless of the outcome. The best wrestlers impose their will take them down and win the fights or atleast make them interesting. Salmon Sucks...Face it.....Just because you made a mistake and put Sean Salmon on the list over guys who deserve it more like Matt Hughes for sure ... It has nothing to do with who beat who. It's on an individual basis.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by The Natural994

The bottom line here is not with me, its with you. Your having trouble accepting there is guys that belong on this list over Salmon.

How can you have a list thats not results oriented? Big deal the guy utilizes wrestling.... to a degree theres almost wrestling in every fight...The difference is with Salmon he obviously isn't that good at UTILIZING IT IN MMA.... WHICH IS WHAT THIS LIST WAS ORIGINALLY ABOUT! I know he's a good wrestler...But in MMA, well he hasn't exactly knocked anyones socks off with his wrestling.

Now..The reason Hamill should be up there using your logic is because literally all he can do is wrestle.... and he actually wins in the UFC....Against Salmons training partner in his last fight none the less.... Not to metnion leave Salmons record out of this...I doubt you've ever heard of or seen any of the jobbers Salmon has actually beaten to pad up that record.... All we've seen is him get kicked in the head and choked out....Yea I guess he had real nice technique you observed though..... Better than Hughes though??? I think not....


I think your failing to grasp the concept here and can't accept you made a mistake putting Sean Salmon who when this list started was AND I QUOTE "world class" according to you ...but now I see you've changed your tone to he's only one of the best wrestlers in the country...according to you...

You said in the beginning ...this list was who utilizes wrestling the best in MMA....Well no one sits and solely judges technique regardless of the outcome. The best wrestlers impose their will take them down and win the fights or atleast make them interesting. Salmon Sucks...Face it.....Just because you made a mistake and put Sean Salmon on the list over guys who deserve it more like Matt Hughes for sure ... It has nothing to do with who beat who. It's on an individual basis.

You are seriously comparing the cans they fed Hamill to Rashad Evans? I think Rashad was lucky to win that fight. Salmon was taking him down, standing he was getting inside and outstriking him. Rashad tatood him in the face and won with one offensive move for an entire night. It wasn't a lucky kick but he was lucky to win because up until that moment Salmon gave him no openings for anything.

And wouldn't the best in the country consititue being called "World Class" You do realize the US Olympic team wretles in the World and Olympic leauge don't you? I think being right there on the starting team or the practice team is good enought to be world class. If Salmon wrestled for the Canadian Olympic team he would be on the starting team.

[The Natural994]

Originally Posted by Palma Wrestler

You are seriously comparing the cans they fed Hamill to Rashad Evans? I think Rashad was lucky to win that fight. Salmon was taking him down, standing he was getting inside and outstriking him. Rashad tatood him in the face and won with one offensive move for an entire night. It wasn't a lucky kick but he was lucky to win because up until that moment Salmon gave him no openings for anything.

And wouldn't the best in the country consititue being called "World Class" You do realize the US Olympic team wretles in the World and Olympic leauge don't you? I think being right there on the starting team or the practice team is good enought to be world class. If Salmon wrestled for the Canadian Olympic team he would be on the starting team.

Heath Herring could probably start for the Canadian Olympic team

[Palma]

Originally Posted by The Natural994

Heath Herring could probably start for the Canadian Olympic team

Wasn't Tim Silvia their HW?

[Noob]

My vote is for Wayne Weems. Fucking beast.