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[matto]

pressure points and dont let go of the submissions. a crusifix or a twister and dont let go, ah that would hurt.

[NixHex]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

What is dirty JuJitsu? Are there any specific BJJ moves that are not allowed in the UFC or other competition, that are just taught for self defense?

If so, what are they?

You're not allowed small joint (fingers, thumbs, toes) manipulations in UFC, or BJJ. But in the Police Academy (Dirty JJ) their bread and butter is controlling that thumb, which leads to controlling the elbow, to the shoulder. They teach a lot more controlling small, weak portions of the body (fingers, wrists, ankles) which leads to controlling the connecting strong points (arms, legs). BJJ from my classes seems to be teaching me to control the body, and take advantage of any mistakes by isolating a part of the body.

Another little thing he taught me... if you grab onto an earlobe, you'll find that it has a nice grip for you. And grabbing a person's ear is much more effective than the ol' school fishhook (you can be bitten, and the lip is much more slippery). I'm gonna work with him twice a week, in the late night so it doesn't interrupt with my BJJ classes.

Anybody from around (or make it to) the Cincinnati area that trains?

[Repenter]

some of my base is catch wrestling, and the amount of horrifying cranks, muscle splicers and all-around dirty shit you can pull on someone in catch wrestling keeps any grappler in a gi more than on his toes. there is also a lot of elbow pressure used, especially on the sternum and the bridge of the nose. bwa ha haaa

[thefirm0]

i got my buddy down and got behind him while he was sitting and put my knee in his back and let him have double fish hooks. that was dirty.

[Agentman]

I'm a student of the Lancashire style of 'catch as catch can' submission wrestling which is absolutely laden with dirty tricks.

Some of these tricks harken back to the days of bare knuckle fighting, so all your fish hooks, eye gouges etc which are still useful for self defence but not permitted in martial arts sparring or training.

What I have been consistantly taught however is to always make life as uncomfortable as I possibly can within the rules although theres no big secret to these techniques, its simply a matter in most cases of not being such a nice guy.

So if your in your opponants guard jam those elbows in as hard as you can into the soft tissue, if your in side control grab a handful of shoulder or collar and lean the blade of your forearm accross his throat or put your knee in his solar plexus, if your in mount then jam the top of your head under his jaw and grind away, smother the guy, crank his neck up and just make things as uncomfortable/painful as you possibly can and hopefully he'll be distracted enough to offer you a submission.

When I spar with guys who are brand new to the sport it never fails to suprise me just how polite and gentile they are so I always make the point of telling them not to be so nice when theyre looking for the submission or transition and to incorperate some of these tricks.

Pressure points are something Ive never found to work - they are fine if youre escorting someone away by the arm and you need some pain compliance or something but too difficult to find when sparring or competeing against someone

[noahm]

Back in the day, Marco Ruas brought a lot of that stuff into the UFC before it was against the rules. Look for some of his fights, and you will see finger cranking etc. I think he was the first to really bring in the foot stomps that you still see today, at least that I remember.

[Agentman]

Ruas came from a Vale Tudo background, the principles of which were based in street defence and the idea that 'anything goes' or 'anything is acceptible'. I trained at a Vale Tudo school for several years and 'dirty' techniques are still very much a feature.

[Repenter]

calf splicers. oh, yes.

[drifter73]

Everyone may have a different definition of what "Dirty" Jujitsu is. If it's something being used in the cage that's questionable or against regulations, then sure, lets call it dirty. However, if it's in a real life situation and you were attacked, I don't think their is any such thing as dirty, as the ultimate goal is survival at all costs no matter what fighting form(s) you use.

To me, I think the MOST beneficial art one can include in their training as a 2nd or 3rd mastery is "Pressure points". I watch fights day in & day out & the closest I see to pressure point execution is joint manipulations for a submission win. Learning pressure points would make a fighter almost unstoppable, as even the slighted index finger poke to a spot of the body would send the adversary into a temporary pain & throw their game off long enough for you to land a few cripplers to follow it up. (Ideal for a ground game)

I think the real question would be; Would you consider Pressure points to be unethical or "Dirty" both inside & outside the ring even though it's not stipulated against in the rules, or would you find it to be an asset when used properly?