MMA News Forums » Sports & Training » Grappling Forum

[lilfella84]

any form of jits is i think...but with the ju jitsu its seems like it relies heavly on keylocks and those things im much more comfortable with bjj but thats what ive put my heart into dont really know to much about the og jits

[Ramma]

Like I said Repenter, JJJ is more like judo than it is like BJJ. My newly aquired wife (lol) took JJJ and her throws are awesome in comparison to mine, and she stopped doing JJJ for other martial arts years ago.

Originally Posted by Harlem

It's not hard to throw someone in the street at all IMO. Most people don't know how to avoid a throw, sprawl properly, or etc. I've seen dudes with no training at all slam the fuck out of people.

Doesn't have to be a hip toss used to get someone down, there are many different throws.

Yeah, I'd have to agree here. My friend and I were goofing around last 4th of July (he wanted to do an exhibition MMA match, I wasn't allowed to punch or kick though, since I knew what I was doing). Well, I'm 5'9-10 and he is about 6'3 and has 40 pounds on me easily.

I was basically tossing him all over the place. Shoots, sweeps, throws, etc. I was shocked by how easily stuff was being pulled off. It is amazing how easy it is to do something when no one knows how to defend it.

[CRisCO]

Training any martial art is better then training non as long as u stay grounded and realize your own limitations.

I would pick Muay Thai for street fighting simply because of Elbows and clinch control. Hands break very easily when used for striking so learning to use elbows effectively is a great idea s it saves your hands.

[Clark80]

I was recently reading about 52 blocks. The idea is interesting in terms of stand up and more so in a street situation.

[Smaciman]

I took JJJ for 2 years a while back, and whilst I respect all the pro's of it as a self-defense martial art, I think the Sensei of the dojo is the true test of whether it's an effective Martial Art

I got extremely frustrated with always having to tell my opponent/partner how I was going to attack them, and then always having to attack in the same manner (always stepping to punch, always swinging your leg up to kick etc.), as I simply felt it wasn't realistic by any means.

However, my brother does JJJ in London, and is loving every minuet of it. From the sounds of things, he's getting a better quality education for his money. Now on the rare occasions we spar, his throws and counters are quite effective (but no match for Muay Thai & some sloppy wrestling Mwahahahahah)

[housefull]

Originally Posted by Clark80

Please define: Real fight

Japanese Jiu Jitsu is very effective as is BJJ but in a street fight you really want to avoid arm bars and pulling guard - I would suggest you train some form of stand up for that.

If you are talking competition fighting then its judo/bjj all day.

Great work .. really informative .. and thanks a lot for sharing ..

[Agentman]

The biggest problem I had with JJJ and most other 'traditional' martial arts is that they seem so dogmatic.

The beauty of mixed martial arts is that it innovates and isnt afraid to change and develop, people go away and cross train in other disciplines then come back and incorperate those techniques into their MMA. You dont really get that with alot of more traditional martial arts.

Another think I dislike about traditional martial arts is that theyre so expensive. It costs a fortune to do your gradings, you need loads of equipment and at the higher levels in things like JJJ you need to start investing in silly stuff like swords and what not. With MMA I need my subscription fee, my gloves, my gum shield and a pair of shorts - simples.

Its true to say that any martial art is better than none - for adrenaline conditioning more than anything else - but I see little point in spending a fortune to do something like JJJ when there are more effective disciplines out there that wont break the bank. Martial arts has developed more in the past 15 years than it did in the previous 500 and MMA is the future.

[BSums]

I agree that JJJ is much more similar to Judo than BJJ. I used to take Judo while I was a teenager, and recently I've started JJJ. There are quite a few similarities in both. They all grew from the same root after all. The biggest difference is JJJ focuses more on stand up locks and throws, while BJJ is mostly groundwork.

Is JJJ useless as some put it? No. Some moves are outdated though, but you get that in all martial arts. Everyone seems to jump all over the BJJ bandwagon because of what they see in MMA. And while in controlled environments BJJ is king, the last thing I would ever do in the street is pull guard, or take the fight to the ground at all. Too many things can go wrong.

Anyway, there is always good and bad in all forms. Like Smaciman said, a lot depends on the instructor. Some will teach the traditional way, with all the outdated moves, while others will focus on what works and forego the rest.

[Clark80]

I just watched Ip Man 2 and I'm going Wing Chun crazy here

[Iron Triangle]

I think it is very useful. Just as much as BJJ. In all due honesty I really don't see the difference between Traditional Jiu Jitsu and it's Brazillian counterpart (other than maybe BJJ has more ways to set up a hold than Traditional).

In fact, when I went to a Muay Thai school my sensi asked if I had any Martial Arts training; I told him TJJ and he said "good, Japanese much better for self defense than BJJ. BJJ to much of a sport. JJJ is more for self defense." His words not mine.