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06-04-2007, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Afro Samurai Penn has experience in Judo, hes got good takedown defense, his BJJ surpasses Karos, and hes a better striker only thing holding Penn back from beating Karo is his conditioning. |
exactly..if bj comes in ready he'l win the fight by decision maybe even a subb but if he comes in like he did against hughes and gsp he'l be wore down and karo will win by decision...
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06-04-2007, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AJL416AZ you can prevent Judo throws. its called using Greco and/or judo. defend the over under by using your own, or using wrestling
burkman defended all of Karo's takedowns except for one. | Diego did the same to Karo, that seems to happen to Karo often.. I remember Kevin Randleman not being able to defend all of Nakamura's judo throws and Nakamura won the fight basically off of that and because Randleman couldnt keep Nakamura on the ground and even ended up on his back.
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06-04-2007, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AJL416AZ you can prevent Judo throws. its called using Greco and/or judo. defend the over under by using your own, or using wrestling
burkman defended all of Karo's takedowns except for one. | Karo didn't go for too many throws with Burkman, and he actually tossed him twices. One throw was when he went for the kimura.
Karo has been known to throw Randy Couture in their training same with Barrent. As good as BJ's wrestling is, it is not to the level of Couture so I am pretty sure Karo could toss Penn.
Judo is a different beast then wrestling. I had a kid from Germany on my wrestling team that has done Judo for years. As a first year kid he tossed everyone on the team, including the coaches once or twice. This was a 15 year old kid tossing a 30 year old Div 1 all american. So like I said, there is no such thing as takedown defense when it comes to Judo.
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06-04-2007, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Afro Samurai Diego did the same to Karo, that seems to happen to Karo often.. I remember Kevin Randleman not being able to defend all of Nakamura's judo throws and Nakamura won the fight basically off of that and because Randleman couldnt keep Nakamura on the ground and even ended up on his back. | Diego got thrown a lot by Karo, he just recovered very well.
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06-04-2007, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Masscore Karo didn't go for too many throws with Burkman, and he actually tossed him twices. One throw was when he went for the kimura.
Karo has been known to throw Randy Couture in their training same with Barrent. As good as BJ's wrestling is, it is not to the level of Couture so I am pretty sure Karo could toss Penn.
Judo is a different beast then wrestling. I had a kid from Germany on my wrestling team that has done Judo for years. As a first year kid he tossed everyone on the team, including the coaches once or twice. This was a 15 year old kid tossing a 30 year old Div 1 all american. So like I said, there is no such thing as takedown defense when it comes to Judo. | Ya im sure Penns wrestling isnt on Coutures level, but at the same time im sure Coutures Judo isnt on Penns level ya know.. Penn does have Judo experience and that would help him vs Karo when you combine the whole package of wrestling, Judo, BJJ, striking.. Penns only downfall in this fight would be his cardio but damn isnt that his only downfall in every fight? but vs a guy like Karo who really hasnt been a finisher lately I dont see it presenting a Hughes or GSP type of problem.
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06-04-2007, 03:30 PM
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What's with all the talk about Karo outlasting Penn? The only time Penn really gassed was against Pulver, and it wasn't as bad as when Karo got mauled in the thirrd round by Diego.
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Originally Posted by Rufio What's with all the talk about Karo outlasting Penn? The only time Penn really gassed was against Pulver, and it wasn't as bad as when Karo got mauled in the thirrd round by Diego. |
Because people are under the misconception that BJ gassed in the Hughes fight when really he had a broken rib. Some people also say he gassed in the GSP fight..but I don't agree.
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06-04-2007, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rufio What's with all the talk about Karo outlasting Penn? The only time Penn really gassed was against Pulver, and it wasn't as bad as when Karo got mauled in the thirrd round by Diego. | except he gassed against gsp too...and with hughes...
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06-04-2007, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockx Because people are under the misconception that BJ gassed in the Hughes fight when really he had a broken rib. Some people also say he gassed in the GSP fight..but I don't agree. | I believe he gassed vs GSP, but not Hughes who the fuck gasses like that? he was clearly injured. Unless you can show me another fighter that goes from normal to gassed in an instance I dont believe for one minute that Penn gassed vs Hughes.
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I think he definitely slowed down against GSP, to the point where he couldn't block the takedowns. However, he was still very active in that fight. He had GSP in multiple sub attempts in the 2 and 3rd.
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