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[pa99fighter]

Who takes this one? I have Shamrock.
your thoughts?

[neonatural45]

Shamrock sprawls worse then Kongo does, and I dont see him subbing Okami (who has very undderated BJJ)

Okami by decision

[dofking]

Okami by GnP!

[Warchief]

Okami via triangle armbar.

[Intellectual]

Okami via Decision

Okami is a very cerebral fighter and i enjoyed watching his fight against MacDonald.

he took his time and pushed the pace towards the end of every round. great strategy for a fighter that just wants to win regardless of pleasing the crowd.

[Dork8503]

Frank Shamrock by ko

[Ubermensch]

Frank by TKO

[AJL416AZ]

Okami whoops that ass.

Frank has weak wrestling. Okami does not. Okami also has great top control and solid grappling, Frank won't be surprising him with anything on the ground at all. he's got the conditioning, and a ridiculous size advantage on Frank.

Frank has weighed, at the most, like 194 on fight day. Okami will grind him and outmuscle him like he has with much bigger MWs, and you might see Frank gassed. Frank hasnt fought a BIG guy in a while, and no matter how good your cardio is, big guys that outmuscle you can gas you out in half the time someone your own size could.


plus, people only remember the end of the Tito fight. yeah Frank was trying to gas him out, but he was taken down AT WILL in that fight, and beat to hell while doing it. he moved around a lot in guard, but the entire time he was getting held down and beat up by Tito. got his face cut open and took a lot of punishment before he gassed him out, and against someone bigger than him that fights with the style that Frank has the hardest time against, it does not fair well

Okami is not Baroni, Cesar or Renzo. he is a 100% legitimate top 10 guy, who will kick the shit out of Fabulous Frank Shamrock.

[Ubermensch]

AJ your hate for frank blinds you anytime there is even a thread about Frank you say he will lose. I cant take what you say seriously when it comes to him because your hate is so obvious. That being said Frank didn't really wait for Tito to gas he forced him to gas. You are right that Tito (much heavier guy) took him down many times but I don't believe at will all the time. And while Frank was on his back you are right he was active but what you failed to say is with his knees on Titos ribs kneeing him over and over again. That is decisive fighting and quite intelligent seeing he was fighting a guy that is much heavier than he is.

And that wrestling Argument doesn't hold water with me, Just because Liddland and Hendo give him props for his ground game it is just unorthodox. He did Squirl Hendo in a Sub wrestling match right after Hendo won his second Silver in the Olympics.

I know you hate the guy but you cant dismiss his ability and skill. I don't like Diego but I still give him props especially in the Karo fight which I think he won totally fair and square even though I would of loved for him to have lost.

[AJL416AZ]

i give Frank his props in his cardio, grappling, and standup, even though i hate him.

i just think Okami is WAAAY underrated, and is the only MW outside of Lindland that fights a grappling and GnP style that stylistically, i dont see Frank beating


Frank cant beat him with great conditioning, because Okami has great conditioning, and is bigger
i dont see him finishing on the ground because Okami is a good grappler with good sub defense
he cant win standing because Okami will control the takedown, something Frank is horrible at.


wrestling, takedowns, and top control is the way to beat Frank. and Okami has all that, and the size and conditioning to beat Frank in the physical aspect of the game too.