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[jkilla374]

We all know what happened in the first fight:

Serra KOs Karo, but the fight is not stopped, and Karo goes on to win by UD. By the way, I give Karo a lot of respect for coming back the way he did in that fight.

Question is: who wins in the rematch?

Being a Serra fan, I like Serra, but Karo was impressive in the last fight. However, I think Serra has improved a lot since then, and will do better. However, Karo has improved as well.

I still take Serra. And I'll go with how the first fight should have been called: Serra by KO, round 1.

EDIT:

Damn. I forgot to add the poll. Mods, please add a poll.

EDIT:

Damn, still no poll.

[leelandk]

I never understood why some people say Serra KO'ed Karo. He was hurt bad for sure, but he only went down to his knees and was back on his feet in 3 seconds w/ Serra trying to hold him down. Unconscious fighters typically don't do that.

[jkilla374]

Originally Posted by leelandk

I never understood why some people say Serra KO'ed Karo. He was hurt bad for sure, but he only went down to his knees and was back on his feet in 3 seconds w/ Serra trying to hold him down. Unconscious fighters typically don't do that.

Although I disagree, fair enough...who do you pick in the rematch?

[sousuke22]

Originally Posted by jkilla374

We all know what happened in the first fight:

Serra KOs Karo, but the fight is not stopped, and Karo goes on to win by UD. By the way, I give Karo a lot of respect for coming back the way he did in that fight.

Question is: who wins in the rematch?

Being a Serra fan, I like Serra, but Karo was impressive in the last fight. However, I think Serra has improved a lot since then, and will do better. However, Karo has improved as well.

I still take Serra. And I'll go with how the first fight should have been called: Serra by KO, round 1.

EDIT:

Damn. I forgot to add the poll. Mods, please add a poll.

I think this would be an even closer match-up than the previous one, this time favoring Serra more than he was. I do think Serra has improved, and although I don't think he belongs at number one, I do think he belongs in the top ten. Still, I'm going with Parisyan again in this one with a UD victory. I just haven't seen enough of the "new" Serra- assuming there is a new Serra- to give him any more advantage in this fight than I would in the past, but I have seen a lot more Parisyan since then, and he has improved tremendously, especially in the stand-up department.

I know some of you might think it stupid of me to say I haven't seen the new Serra when he TKO'd GSP, but I really don't think we got an accurate representation of his full range of skills in that fight, just like we didn't get a full representation of Rampage in his first UFC fight against Liddell.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by leelandk

I never understood why some people say Serra KO'ed Karo. He was hurt bad for sure, but he only went down to his knees and was back on his feet in 3 seconds w/ Serra trying to hold him down. Unconscious fighters typically don't do that.

Agree Poncho Villa

[leelandk]

I'm still gonna go with Karo. He took Serra's best punch and then proceeded to put a major beatdown on Serra.

[Ramma]

Originally Posted by jkilla374

We all know what happened in the first fight:

Serra KOs Karo, but the fight is not stopped, and Karo goes on to win by UD. By the way, I give Karo a lot of respect for coming back the way he did in that fight.

Serra KOs Karo.. I think (no disrespect intended to either of you) that you have been listening to a certain veteran forum member too much.. People who are KOed don't end up putting the guy in his back within a 20 second span..

Tired of hearing the Serra KOed Karo bullshit.. anyone who says that is blind

He hurt Karo, no doubt about it... but Karo went down to his knees, took some shots, got up and the fight was all Serra from there..


Anyway.. Karo via decision, just like last time.

[UFC-chef/Hughes-fan]

I'm going to have to go with Serra. i hate the dumb ass but he's to strong for Karo's judo nad has to much punching power for him.

Karo wouldn't match up well with strong fighter because he won't be able to do his judo throws and thats where he is his best.

[jkilla374]

Originally Posted by Ramma

Serra KOs Karo.. I think (no disrespect intended to either of you) that you have been listening to a certain veteran forum member too much.. People who are KOed don't end up putting the guy in his back within a 20 second span..

Tired of hearing the Serra KOed Karo bullshit.. anyone who says that is blind

He hurt Karo, no doubt about it... but Karo went down to his knees, took some shots, got up and the fight was all Serra from there..


Anyway.. Karo via decision, just like last time.

You have to intelligently defend yourself. Holding onto a fighter's waist while you are punched in the head repeatedly is not intelligently defending yourself. Whether or not Karo came out of it within thirty seconds or whatever is irrelevant. You can't simply take unanswered shots to the head like that without the fight being called. Like I said, I respect Karo, especially the way he came back from the brink, and I'm not bashing Karo, he is a great fighter. He was out on his feet, simply hanging on while being punched directly in the head. That's not intelligently defending yourself.

Think about it, if Karo was on the ground holding onto Serra's waist while Serra was punching him directly in the head, the fight definitely would have been stopped. Why is it different b/c Karo was taking shots directly to the head while kneeling/whatever he was doing?

[Ramma]

Originally Posted by jkilla374

You have to intelligently defend yourself. Holding onto a fighter's waist while you are punched in the head repeatedly is not intelligently defending yourself. Whether or not Karo came out of it within thirty seconds or whatever is irrelevant. You can't simply take unanswered shots to the head like that without the fight being called. Like I said, I respect Karo, especially the way he came back from the brink, and I'm not bashing Karo, he is a great fighter. He was out on his feet, simply hanging on while being punched directly in the head. That's not intelligently defending yourself.

Think about it, if Karo was on the ground holding onto Serra's waist while Serra was punching him directly in the head, the fight definitely would have been stopped. Why is it different b/c Karo was taking shots directly to the head while kneeling/whatever he was doing?

Regardless of all that, Karo still wasn't KOed...

If Karo is grabbing onto Serra, as a means to get up and better his position, while ducking his head into his chest, it means he is still in the fight.. he got up and took Serra down.. Karo was not blocking the shots, but he was busy... he was trying to get up (Caol Uno was in the same position as Karo when he fought BJ Penn, but Caol was sitting on his ass doing nothing while getting punched and went out cold before the ref could even jump in. Karo's head wasn't bouncing all over the place as Serra was hitting him. The fight was close to being stopped, but it is clear that the ref made the right decision. Karo was rocked, recovered, and took control of the fight.


It is merely a difference of opinion (Just want to get that out there. I enjoy your posts quite often).