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Roger "El Matador" Huerta
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Kenny "KenFlo" Florian
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12-09-2007, 08:34 PM
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| Huerta vs Florian
since it looks like the UFC would probably want to set this one up, what with Florian being on the broadcast for Roger's fight with Clay.
who wins it?
i personally think Huerta would beat Kenny up.
Kenny's still not a big LW, still has weak wrestling although he is very aggressive and improving. Huerta has been in bad positions against great BJJ players before, although Alberto was pretty rusty, if Huerta was going to be exposed to have bad grappling, Crane would have done it.
and i think he can outhustle Florian, standing an on the ground, and with his wrestling, dictate the pace of the matchup. Roger has good GnP
although Kenny's muay thai is getting to be pretty good, more than enough to hurt Roger, Huerta can still scrap with him. Kenny likes a lot of kicks and combinations, but Huerta likes to brawl.
he might never throw hooks or combos, but Huerta can scrap, and i dont think Florian has been in the cage with anyone who makes the fight as physical as Roger does. he might not be as hardnosed and intense as Clay Guida, but Roger is going to make sure its not just a technical chess match, its going to be a fuckin' fight, and thats why i think Roger can pull this one out.
also, i like the fact that after a fight, Huerta rarely makes the same mistakes. i watched his funky ass head movement in the Garcia fight, and it was gone, 2 fights later, against Clay.
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12-09-2007, 08:51 PM
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i got Florian winning. Huerta is a monster, but Florian has always been underrated.
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12-11-2007, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Intellectual i got Florian winning. Huerta is a monster, but Florian has always been underrated. |
i agree 100%,i have been really impressed with kenny as of late.i think this would be an awesome fight.but i honestly think florian would take this.please dana make this match
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12-11-2007, 06:36 PM
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Kenny Florian wins this imo...he's a badass.
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12-11-2007, 08:43 PM
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Huerta beats Kenny up.
Kenny has a good ground game, but little to no wrestling ability and is weak. Also i do not believe Kenny can take punches from Huerta.
Kenny lacks the power to knock out Huerta. Also the wrestling ability to take him down.
Huerta will get in Kennys face an is willing to take a hit to deliver them. That is something Kenny can't deal with.
Huerta lands bombs an has good striking. Huerta will back Kenny up take a few hits in the process, get him against the cage an unleash a furry that will drop an put Kenny out.
This fight imo will not make it out of the first round.
Huerta is just to strong and Kenny just lacks the right tools to win like wrestling.
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12-11-2007, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dork8503 Huerta beats Kenny up.
Kenny has a good ground game, but little to no wrestling ability and is weak. Also i do not believe Kenny can take punches from Huerta.
Kenny lacks the power to knock out Huerta. Also the wrestling ability to take him down.
Huerta will get in Kennys face an is willing to take a hit to deliver them. That is something Kenny can't deal with.
Huerta lands bombs an has good striking. Huerta will back Kenny up take a few hits in the process, get him against the cage an unleash a furry that will drop an put Kenny out.
This fight imo will not make it out of the first round.
Huerta is just to strong and Kenny just lacks the right tools to win like wrestling. | dont be hating lol
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12-11-2007, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 2mcgrath dont be hating lol | Not hating. Just don't see how Kenny can win. He is to weak in areas that matter in this fight.
Guida showed what it takes to beat Huerta. Kenny lacks that, also he is not nearly as strong as Guida or as fast, an does not have a strong chin like Guida.
Huerta comes at you an is willing to take punches to get what he wants. Kenny don't have the power to back Huerta up or make him think twice about standing in front of him. Also Kenny just can't take those bombs.
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12-11-2007, 08:59 PM
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huerta's wrestling is probably the most overrated in MMA, and he has the disadvantage on the ground against Kenny. Kenny wins this so easy it will leave people in awe, and im not even a fan of Kenny (I think neither him or Roger is good enough to be top 10). Frankly I think Huerta got a bit exposed against Guida, Guida was eating his lunch for the first to rounds then Huerta hit him with a knee (Huerta's eyes were fucking closed and his head was pointed in another direction). Guida proved to be the better fighter despite losing that match.
Guida (who is smaller then Kenny) threw Huerta around like a rag doll and controlled the ground game in the first two rounds, Guida's BJJ is inferior to Kenny's. I think Kenny clinches with Roger, gets a trip takedown, and chokes him or arm bars him from side control in round one.
List of people that would also kick Rogers ass in the UFC:
Sherk
Penn
Daddy
Edgar
Griffen
Guida (if there was a rematch)
Pelligrino
Varner
Din Thomas
I know I come across as a Huerta hater but I truely think that he is an overrated fighter who can make fights exciting but isnt world class
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12-11-2007, 10:36 PM
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just because Guida took him down doesnt mean he has bad wrestling. i was very impressed how he was able to scramble out of everything as soon as they hit the mat. he might overexpose himself and get taken down, but the dude can wrestle, and get out of bad positions well.
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12-12-2007, 03:14 AM
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I don't think Huerta was exposed against Guida at all... Actually I think the opposite. That fight proved to me that Huerta has a really mature head when it comes to the fight game... in fact as soon as round 1 ended I was expecting that late in the third Huerta was going to catch Guida. He was very calm, and collected the entire fight and dealt incredibly well with the frantic style and pace of Clay.
Personally I felt that fight showed that Guida needs to be more focused and less manic in the octagon... A perfect example being Huerta hitting Guida with a knee and then immediately dropping to his knees... If Clay was more relaxed in there he wouldn't have gotten the kneeing a downed opponent foul, he would have caught that. I also noticed that Guida's GnP leaves much to be desired as he was given that gift of a perfect shot to Huerta and then followed up with such a wild GnP to try to finish that he ended up missing most of his shots.
As far as Huerta and Kenny go, I give it to Rodger. Ken-flo (The Killer, if you're reading this Sundance) is toted for his elbow strikes, but I don't see him being able to utilize them in any situation against Huerta. He certainly can't stand in front of Rodger cause he'll get KTFO and he doesn't have the wrestling to control him like Guida did. Also (this part is just IMO) I'm starting to get the impression from Florian that he's starting to read into his own hype, and that announcer spot really didn't help the situation (once again this is just the impression he gives off to me IMO so don't read into this one too much) and that could be a factor going into their fight. It's apparent to me that Huerta isn't about his own hype as he is so collected in the octagon.
That's my two... or four... or however many cents I put in just now.
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