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10-31-2008, 01:11 PM
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| George St.Pierre VS Dan Henderson
Who would win this one?
I feel this is somewhat relevant because it would appear GSP is constantly getting bigger and more muscular..Also if he does beat BJ he will probably challenge for the MW belt. I dont know if they'd give him Anderson right away and Hendo would prove quite the worthy opponent
Thoughts..
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11-04-2008, 11:11 AM
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Never thought about that it'd be a great fight though I'd give it to St. Pierre
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11-04-2008, 02:47 PM
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The only thing GSP has on Henderson is cardio/conditioning. Henderson has better striking--heavier hands and far better striking defense--not to mention an iron chin, where GSP's is...well, not so much. Dan is also used to giving up size and strength advantages, where GSP is not. And finally, regardless of what GSP fanboys might think, Dan is a far superior wrestler.
The only thing GSP really has in his favor is that Henderson is spotty at MW, particularly if he hasn't committed to making the cut consistently. If GSP is moving up and doesn't have to worry about a weight cut, he'll still be explosive--provided the added weight doesn't slow him down--and have all his strength. If the Henderson who fought Silva shows up, GSP certainly has a chance [I'd give him 50/50 at that point] but if Henderson shows up to fight, it's just a bad night for Georges.
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11-04-2008, 05:12 PM
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Agreed with everything rh said....Its beyond me how anyone can see GSP beating Hendo in the MW division. Hendo is a better wrestler better boxer.. his takedown defence is top shelf and GSP standing and trading with Hendo will only lead to a Henderson Victory most likely
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11-05-2008, 03:04 AM
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Wtf?
People actually picked GSP?
Oh my good lord.
GSP has 1 thing on Hendo. Conditioning.
Other then that, Hendo is levels above him.
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11-05-2008, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rivethead The only thing GSP has on Henderson is cardio/conditioning. Henderson has better striking--heavier hands and far better striking defense--not to mention an iron chin, where GSP's is...well, not so much. Dan is also used to giving up size and strength advantages, where GSP is not. And finally, regardless of what GSP fanboys might think, Dan is a far superior wrestler.
The only thing GSP really has in his favor is that Henderson is spotty at MW, particularly if he hasn't committed to making the cut consistently. If GSP is moving up and doesn't have to worry about a weight cut, he'll still be explosive--provided the added weight doesn't slow him down--and have all his strength. If the Henderson who fought Silva shows up, GSP certainly has a chance [I'd give him 50/50 at that point] but if Henderson shows up to fight, it's just a bad night for Georges.
rh | I don't know what GSP has to do to make people believe in how good of an MMA-wrestler he is. Most who disagree with his ability go by what someone has achieved on paper......I remember the arguments well.....Kos is a Division 1 champ, blah, blah, blah. Just because GSP hasn't competed in college, wrestled in the Olympics, or whatever else you guys feel constitutes to being an effective wrestler doesn't take away from how good he actually is in MMA. He dominated Kos, he dominated Hughes, and he dominated Fitch - all excellent wrestlers, but yet that is still not enough. Reality it doesn't really matter - if you can't look at his actual wrestling achievements in MMA, then there is absolutely no point in discussing it further. Yes, Hendo has accomplished much in Olympic wrestling and does utilize it well in MMA, but I think GSP is even better at utilizing his wrestling in MMA.
Why in the world are you questioning GSP's chin? When has it ever been tested? I agree Hendo has a chin of steel, but that doesn't mean that GSP's chin is questionable.
Hendo has very heavy hands, I agree. GSP's punches are lightning fast and very effective - just watch the Fitch fight again if you need proof. GSP can also take punches - watch the Penn fight again if you are having doubts. Kicks? There's no contest - GSP trounces Hendo in kicks. The only place I see Hendo as being better is in the clinch. You know what? GSP doesn't spend much time in clinches. When he wants to take you down, it's immediate. Once on the ground, GSP is better at BJJ.
GSP wins it.
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11-05-2008, 10:50 AM
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Dan,
I've said GSP has very good grappling, but if you can't tell the difference between him and Henderson, I don't know where to start. I'm not saying GSP is a can or a punk or that he's overrated...I'm saying his main strength is also Dan's strength, and that Dan is better at it. You are welcome to your opinion that GSP is the best at everything, but it has yet to be proven.
Again, if the inconsistent Henderson who fought A. Silva shows up, GSP has a solid shot. If a primed and hungry Henderson shows up, it's a bad night for GSP.
rh
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11-05-2008, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dan the man 67 Why in the world are you questioning GSP's chin? When has it ever been tested? I agree Hendo has a chin of steel, but that doesn't mean that GSP's chin is questionable.
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11-06-2008, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Problematique Forget Serra/St.Pierre 1 ? | No, not at all, but I am not going to get into that whole discussion again since there are countless threads on it, and my views of that fight has been posted there. If you are questioning GSP's chin based on that fight, then I don't know what else to tell you - you are entitled to your opinion. GSP doubters have only that fight to look to, and base GSP's entire career on that single fight, which is fucking idiotic, IMO.
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11-06-2008, 05:29 AM
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You say his chin hasn't been tested, when that fight definitely tested it so if anyone with decent power hits GSP's chin, it'll do damage.
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