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[Sakara=Excitement]

I call Brock by TKO in rd. 3

[b1uef1ow]

Originally Posted by grambino

I have to disagree from the very beginning. Mir is the guy who got caught. Brock came out like tornado and surprised Mir who was able to gather himself and get the sub just like you'd expect. Mir is the experienced, trained and seasoned MMA top fighter, Brock is the raw guy with potential. When a guy who is above you in every aspect of MMA beats you you lost, you didn't get caught. Secondly, what makes you think Mir didn't take anything from that fight? Do you really think Brock will be able to charge like a wild man and catch him by surprise again? No way. He won't even try. I don't see any reasonable scenario in which Brock wins unless he catches Mir with something or Mir becomes gassed. I thought Brock looked like he was wearing down against Randy and I have some questions about his stamina.

I agree both have never been in a championship round before. Although Brock did look great in that third round against Heath, well have to see if looks just as fresh in the forth or fifth as he's got to feed those muscles of his a TON of oxygen.

Mir as well he's only been to the 3 rd exactly once in his career. He's admitted in the past that he use to be scared to run out of gas.

[SWIFTboy]

The more things change the more they stay the same...

Even though both fighters have undoubtedly changed (i.e. improved) since their last meeting, this matchup still boils down to the same thing. Ground and pound vs. submissions.

In the first fight we knew this to be the case. I remember the poll on the main page was voted like 51% to 49% in favour of (I think) Mir. This fight will also be split evenly in opinion and for good reason. Even though Mir caught Lesnar in the first fight, I beleive he was 2 or 3 hammer fists away from being finished. I point this out just to illustrate that although Mir FINISHED decicively, it was a VERY close fight. Well, as close as a fight that lasts less than a round can be classified as close.

So does that mean this fight will be a repeat of the last one? Not exactly. I think the fighters relative strengths and strategies are the same. However, there are a few key differences coming in.
First, I doubt Brock will charge at Mir with the same recklessness as last time. Whether this will help him avoid a submission is debatable, but the fight probably won't have the same nutty pace as last time.
Second, we might actually see some stand-up in this fight. I think Mir has better technique and Brock has more power. Stand up will have an impact as if someone gets the advantage, it might force the other to try and bring the fight to the ground. However, I don't think it will be the deciding factor in this fight.
Finally, thsi time around it is a five round fight. That could change one of their strategies. Maybe Brock will play it safe for a few rounds thinking he can tire out Mir. Maybe.

Originally Posted by jlruthven84

But anyone who writes off either of these fighters is severely shortsighted.

I don't know about short sighted, since that doesn't make sense to me, but the basic arguement of this statement still sums it up perfectly to me.

[Sick_Lunatic]

Lesnar by BROCK-SMASH, 3 seconds into round 1 and Mir is out cold ............

That ...or he'll just F5 him right out of the cage,

As long as Mazaggati isn't reffing again, Mir = toast

WAR Brock 'the white incredible hulk' Lesnar

[CJRockstar]

[QUOTE=jlruthven84;594399]Couple of counterpoints I'd like to make, if I may.

"Brock is too big and strong for Mir."--Right. Which kept him from getting submitted in their first fight. This statement by itself is absolutely inane; I don't think anyone doubts that Brock could bench more than Mir, or that his hands are bigger, but to list that as a PRINCIPAL factor in this fight is questionable. People said the same thing about Gonzaga and Sylvia when they fought Randy
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my only real response to this was that if you remember correctly, his strength did muscle him out of a few arm bar attempts, and ALMOST, but not really, got him out of that leg lock. I mean, Mir had to hang on for dear life when Brock tried to rip that leg out of there. Mir's technique trumped Brock's strength as most thought it would before the fight started. The only real question this time around is that is Mir's technique gonna conquer Brock a second time. I went with Mir the first fight, but I don't think his boxing improvement is going to trump Brock's improvements. Then again, I don't really think the Heath Herring fight was a good indicator of what Brocks improvements really are because he used his wrestling in that fight and that was basically it. I mean, one huge punch at the beginning and then a 3 round wrestling match. The Randy fight actually showed us some of Brocks improvements.

I choose Brock by R2 TKO this time around.I think the only reason this reaches the second round is if Frank pulls guard, which we know he will once he gets hit.

[TN94z]

To me, the Randy fight showed more that Brock's size and strength are not that big of an advantage. Randy, as small as he is, held his own against the bigger and stronger guy. Mir will not be giving up near as much size as Randy did. And to me, Lesnar looked like he was gassing against Randy too, so now I am curious about his cardio.

[mcptfc2007]

it will def go longer this time, i think if brock is sensible he will win this fight via tko in the 2nd or the 3rd, if he is crazy and goes 2 the ground mir will sub him no doubt

[Fillups422]

In my opinion I think Mir will be forced to stand up with Lesnar. Mir's combo's arent going to work on Lesnar like they did to Nog. I say Lesnar takes it 3 min into the 1st round with a KO.

Lesnar has an 81" reach vs Mir's 79. Not much of an advantage but I think thats where Mir gets caught, trying to find that striking point.

I also think, if the fight does go to the ground, Brock will have enough sub defense to out work Mir's guard.

I think Mir's 3 punch combo bonanza on Nog was a fluke. I can throw 3 punch combos on someone who is letting me, thats not a big deal. It might be a disadvantage to Mir, giving him the confidence to stand up with Lesnar which, for everyone including Mir, has been a very bad thing.

If you look at Mir and lesnar's compustrike stats in their last few fights, Lesnar edges out punches thrown and landed percentage-wise.

[TN94z]

Originally Posted by Fillups422

In my opinion I think Mir will be forced to stand up with Lesnar. Mir's combo's arent going to work on Lesnar like they did to Nog. I say Lesnar takes it 3 min into the 1st round with a KO.

Lesnar has an 81" reach vs Mir's 79. Not much of an advantage but I think thats where Mir gets caught, trying to find that striking point.

I also think, if the fight does go to the ground, Brock will have enough sub defense to out work Mir's guard.

I think Mir's 3 punch combo bonanza on Nog was a fluke. I can throw 3 punch combos on someone who is letting me, thats not a big deal. It might be a disadvantage to Mir, giving him the confidence to stand up with Lesnar which, for everyone including Mir, has been a very bad thing.

If you look at Mir and lesnar's compustrike stats in their last few fights, Lesnar edges out punches thrown and landed percentage-wise.

That can be skewed when you only throw a couple of punches per fight. It just kills me that everyone wants to say that Lesnar has worked so much on his sub defense (in a year) that Mir (BJJ black belt with years of experience) won't be able to sub him...but in the same breath it was a fluke to say that Mir's standup was so good against Nog.

You can compare Mir's standup his last fight with his standup in his previous fights and "see" the difference in his smoothness and footwork and diversity of strikes without even considering his opponent.

To say that Brock has improved his sub defense (with no valid fights to back that up) and then to turn around and say that Mir's standup has not improved (when it is obvious that it has judging by his last fight) is, IMO, not valid.

[dan the man 67]

Mir's conditioning and motivation were big question marks when he went into the fight with Nog. What nobody has mentioned so far is what Mir walked away with from that win.

Mir was the best we have ever seen him against Nog, and I think he'll be even better against Lesnar in their 2nd fight. You can't measure a guy's heart and mind. and I know Mir will be at an all-time high in both of those departments after beating Nog. He'll come into this fight with the hunger of a newbie, yet with the experience and mind of a very skilled veteran.